Dawkins describes trans ID as a meme

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Very surprised he didn't say this year's earlier (or did I miss it?). Still an unpleasant man though. www.thetimes.com/article/3f4adf27-3fb8-463a-9c1c-3a90ba605b2f?shareToken=0f280c08e52b86d1cd6b0cd7a3a7b3ba

The logical conclusion for those questioning this well established and accepted principal, lead us to the idea that women can prevent rape by compliance, dressing less proactively and staying in or be chaperoned.

You're going to have to explain the "logic" used here because I don't follow at all.

Surely if it's only about power you could equally argue that any woman being employed by a man is asking for it, or is a victim, or something just as muddled?

I can't follow why you think no sexual feelings are involved in rape. Is this some semantic thing where sex can only be equated with something loving, intimate or positive so you are saying without that it cannot be sex, by definition?

Men who rape get sexual satisfaction from power over others (women, usually) and in many cases sadism. Both sex and power play a role. Fail to consider either one or another and any analysis of sexual violence will be flawed.

@MrsWhattery Right. firstly I find your enquiries quite triggering, like I have a huge pit in the bottom of my stomach and a rage.

I carry the souls of probably a thousand women who have been raped so forgive me if i am pissed of you want to think about it in such an unemotional way.

And you want to analyse your own thoughts, on a public forum for women? Your thoughts that exist within your own knowledge vacuum.

your insensitivity shocks me.

You cannot just conflate a male drive for sex, with rape. They are two very different things.

Sex is by definition a consensual act. Rape is not sex, it is the excretion of power.

And by the way any decent man would not enjoy or partake in rape.

It would not be conducive to an erection where consent is absent, i know that from my relationships with men, and my long term husband.

Anyway stop derailing and put up your own post lets see hat that one goes.

You have just made a bunch of assertions, there isn't even any logic to them. The fact that the perpetrator clearly doesn't care about the consent of the victim doesn't mean that is the primary motivation, and sexual urges aren't.

It's neither regressive nor offensive to say that some rapes can be about sexual satisfaction for the perpetrator. What is your logic, if someone forced a sexual encounter in order to be sexually satisfied, somehow you think that would reflect badly on the victim!?

That seems quite strange. At best.

Do you somehow think that the word sex implies consensual activity? It doesn't, it's just a description of a biological act.

This idea that rape is only ever about power was a theory proposed by an academic, it's not some kind of empirical fact.

It's not offensive, you shouldn't apologize.

It's involves some very bizarre ideas about women to come to the conclusion that's offensive.

Right. firstly I find your enquiries quite triggering, like I have a huge pit in the bottom of my stomach and a rage.
I'm sorry about that, but I hope you understand I'm not trying to upset you. If Im just extremely ignorant, in your view - well that's OK, I'm listening to you and trying to understand.

I carry the souls of probably a thousand women who have been raped so forgive me if i am pissed of you want to think about it in such an unemotional way.
I don't understand this - there's nothing "unemotional" about how I view this sensitive topic.

And you want to analyse your own thoughts, on a public forum for women?
Yes - that is what we frequently do on FWR and years of doing it and listening to others and exploring our ideas have helped me understand a lot.

Sex is by definition a consensual act.
I really don't think that's most people's definition and certainly not the dictionary definition. Furthermore the definition of rape does mention sexual activity/intercourse/penetration and it's important that it does.

And by the way any decent man would not enjoy or partake in rape.
Where did I say that? I never said every single man is sexually interested in or gratified by rape. That's a really odd thing to take from my posts.

However I really don't want to fight or upset you more, so I'll leave it at that for now. I am reassured that a few others see where I'm coming from though.

You cannot just conflate a male drive for sex, with rape.

Literally no-one is doing that. You have misunderstood.
I'm really sorry it's a topic that is hurtful and I think I get where you are coming from in that regard. It looks like it's a semantic disagreement which doesn't really help anyone.

He absolutely sees the difference between a CoE vicar and an islamist terrorist. He admits to being a cultural christian and his forthrightness with the latter topic has earned him the "islamophobia" tag. I find that many Dawkins critics barely are familiar with his actual thoughts.

My apologies, my post above is unnecessary but I cannot edit nor delete it.

Left-handedness was actively discouraged because men in positions of high power in the Church believed it was a sign of the devil's work - the devil not being able to get things 'right' , of course . This is yet another example of the influence of patriarchy (adult human males) telling us what and how to be and making their policies more and more elaborate .
Mr Dawkins is correct , Trans is a meme .

Not at all! It was a return to the topic at hand and quite frankly rather a relief!

Dawkins is abrasive and arrogant but he’s a hell of a scientist.

What qualifies someone as a specialist on 'gender identity'? I've been told two and three year old children understand their gender identity.

we all have one, according to some, so perhaps we're all experts?

So if you were naturally left-handed, but your personality didn't 'match' what you were told left-handed people were like - evil - you were forced to try and change a physical aspect about yourself, even though it was the "aligning" of personality/true soul traits with handedness that was the problem.

Once people started believing that LH people were simply people with a dominant left hand, and no mysterious spiritual identity correlated with that, people became more free to be themselves and not change to fit in with others' illogical expectations.

Well quite! You’d think women
would be the experts on
being women but apparently not

Also curious that someone who invents a term - 'meme' in this instance, is somehow not qualified to say what it applies to.

Yet people who define the term 'cis'* are apparently qualified to apply it to other people as they see fit and we're not to question it.

*you'll never guess who coined it.

https://4w.pub/cis-coined-by-pedosexual-researcher/

That picture he's been photographed next to is a bit wtf!

It certainly is, but it illustrates the relative position of men and women in a patriarchal culture perfectly. Men put women in a box, constrain their behaviour, then fetishize them.

Also curious that someone who invents a term - 'meme' in this instance, is somehow not qualified to say what it applies to.

This is a mere continuation of Goves "we've had enough of experts" as demonstrated in the pandemic when 110% of the population became qualified virologists overnight.

Never underestimate the capacity of some people to disbelieve what they can't understand.

If everyone has a 'gender identity' then we are all qualified to speak on the matter.

If a 'gender identity' is something that only some are born with, can't be measured, observed, or described, and on which subject only those who believe are qualified to speak, then this is a faith that the population as a whole can not be expected to honour with any more respect or weight than, say, astrology, or chakra balancing.

There's nothing wrong with believing in chakras and exercising that belief.

But the NHS should have no part in it, and the rest of the populace cannot be any longer attacked or derided for failing to agree that they need to identify their blocked chakras and support children in taking unlicensed medications to realign their chakras and in many instances, go on to have body parts surgically removed to conform to their inner feelings about their personal chakra alignment.

If everyone has a 'gender identity' then we are all qualified to speak on the matter.

Exactly !

We all have an immune system so are all qualified to speak about diseases, viruses, immune responses and the colours to use on medicine packaging.

(I admit I am skim reading a bit).

Gender is really just a sexy star sign at this point

An aside -

I don't think there was ever any kind of official stuff against left handedness from the Church. And it doesn't seem to have been much of a thing in the Middle Ages.

It seems to come out much more from the Victorian period, and I'd suggest the reason for that is more widespread literacy. Most attempts to "change" people's natural use are around writing. Anyone who has tried writing with pen and ink with their left hand might have a sense of why the right hand was preferred.

@BezMills

Not that sexy personally it turns me right off when people pontificate about "genders".