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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Dawkins describes trans ID as a meme

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nythbran2 · 02/10/2024 07:36

Very surprised he didn't say this year's earlier (or did I miss it?). Still an unpleasant man though. www.thetimes.com/article/3f4adf27-3fb8-463a-9c1c-3a90ba605b2f?shareToken=0f280c08e52b86d1cd6b0cd7a3a7b3ba

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MrsWhattery · 07/10/2024 11:52

I have always been struck - particularly since it's now technically trivial - by the fact there is no left handed keyboard setup.
And a typical drumkit is handed. (Since drummers are).

I think with both of these, there's so much for both hands (and with drums, feet) to do that it wouldn't make much difference to have the whole thing the other way round. With drums, arguably the most important drum is the snare which is played with the left hand, though the right has to move around more.

newtlover · 07/10/2024 18:38

quantumbutterfly · 07/10/2024 10:21

...which raises a question. Why do most countries drive on the right hand side?

Also, if writing from left to right is easier when right handed, why doesn't every writing system do that if right handedness is more common than left handedness?

a very good question!!

Drinkdrinkduuurink · 08/10/2024 04:15

Abhannmor · 02/10/2024 09:02

If he is right then the trans 'meme' will be subject to evolutionary pressure. It will mutate and evolve in some way. Perhaps it will survive or maybe some competing idea will destroy it?
Dawkins is a very rigid thinker , which i suppose is what's needed in these very specialised subjects.
He genuinely can't see any difference between a C of E vicar and an Al Qaeda terrorist. I bet he's wild craic at a party.

Course he does. He has talked about the CoE as being "benign", ie. largely harmless, whilst his views on Islam are the complete opposite. He has also decried the impact of Islam on stifling scientific progress in the arab world over the past 1000 years, a region that led the way in science (Mesopotamia for one).

Dawkins is an exceptional scientist, but not a good debater. He gets flustered/irritated easily (often by weak arguments) and as a previous poster said he can be blunt in his remarks.

Treaclewell · 08/10/2024 13:37

Driving on the left; archaeologists have found evidence for Romans doing it. A stone quarry up north in Britain had a track in and a track out, distinguished by depth of ruts, and the out lane was on the right, its left going from the quarry. So its probable everyone did until Bonaparte and everyone who drives on the right is just obeying his whim.

lcakethereforeIam · 08/10/2024 14:00

Driving on the left does, in a two seater (two ox widths) vehicle put the dominant hand of most people on the outside. Would that be useful, in the days before motor vehicles? If there's no other person the driver sits in the middle though.

Brefugee · 08/10/2024 15:17

(Like the SLR the army uses ..)

as an aside: they don't use it any more do they? But i'm a latent leftie (i do lots of things left handed without thinking about it) and my weapon was an SMG which is hugely problematic if you try to fire it left handed (on account of getting all the spent shells in your face)

Brefugee · 08/10/2024 15:52

SerendipityJane · 07/10/2024 10:28

...which raises a question. Why do most countries drive on the right hand side?

Napoleon in Europe, and the need for an armed sidekick on stagecoaches in the US.

I've just remembered another very subtle example of handedness, which is playing cards. Waddingtons are ambidextrous, but a lot of others are right handed, which is a PITA if - as I do - you find yourself naturally fanning left handed.

oh THAT explains a lot. I play cards left handed, always have and never noticed until i got married and my parents bought us a crib board and new cards. not Waddingtons but some weird ones they'd had made for us with photos of us. Not 4 pipped.

I was baffled...

TempestTost · 08/10/2024 18:20

lcakethereforeIam · 08/10/2024 14:00

Driving on the left does, in a two seater (two ox widths) vehicle put the dominant hand of most people on the outside. Would that be useful, in the days before motor vehicles? If there's no other person the driver sits in the middle though.

Are oxen usually right handed? Maybe it is an advantage when driving animals because of their preferences?

lcakethereforeIam · 08/10/2024 18:27

Chickens, I understand, are handed. The left leg is said to be more tender because they tend to scratch with their right. Not that most supermarket chickens live long enough to give either of their legs a good workout.

SerendipityJane · 09/10/2024 21:03

TempestTost · 08/10/2024 18:20

Are oxen usually right handed? Maybe it is an advantage when driving animals because of their preferences?

There's something about naming oxen side by side which helps them pulll. Can't recall right now though

lcakethereforeIam · 09/10/2024 21:18

I read about the naming tradition the other day. Short name, longer name. Like Len and Leonard.

UtopiaPlanitia · 09/10/2024 23:17

Every day is a school day on FWR 😍

TempestTost · 10/10/2024 02:08

Hmm. Around where I live oxen are traditionally named Lion and Bright.

Lions are all trained to work on the left, and Brights are trained to work on the right.

newtlover · 12/10/2024 23:47

a school day indeed

UtopiaPlanitia · 13/10/2024 00:14

Tweet from Richard Dawkins that might interest folk here:

https://x.com/RichardDawkins/status/1845142318887915845

'I will be on stage with Helen Joyce (@HJoyceGender) at The Lowry in Salford on 4th November. Helen is an author and journalist known for her outspoken work against gender dogma and her leadership in opposing gender ideology. After our discussion, there will be a Q&A session, where attendees can engage directly with us. Although tickets are no longer available, I’m looking forward to an evening of insightful dialogue with those attending.'

SerendipityJane · 13/10/2024 10:16

TempestTost · 10/10/2024 02:08

Hmm. Around where I live oxen are traditionally named Lion and Bright.

Lions are all trained to work on the left, and Brights are trained to work on the right.

It was mentioned in a show where they tried to recreate medieval farming. They hired a farmer with oxen (as indeed you would have) and he mentioned the naming trick which helps drive the plough straight.

Our ancestors weren't stupid. Just knew different shit.

Speaking of handedness, how come I only just noticed that Prince William is left handed ?

DeanElderberry · 13/10/2024 10:22

What about the other two left/right dichotomies, not afaik related to handedness and without any cultural advantage or disdavantage.

When you interlock your hands with fingers threaded together which thumb is on top?

When you cross your arms which hand tucks in, which stays out?

I am: right handed, left thumb on top, right hand out

elgreco · 13/10/2024 10:30

Me too!

Right handed. Deal cards left handed. Cartwheel onto my left hand.

lcakethereforeIam · 13/10/2024 10:42

@DeanElderberry Moi aussi! I'm very right handed, my left hand isn't good for much unless it can 'mirror' my right hand, or I'm doing something I don't have to think about too much.

I broke my right hand once, writing messages with my left-hand, slowly and illegibly. Still had to use my right hand to stop the paper moving around.

SerendipityJane · 13/10/2024 11:24

DeanElderberry · 13/10/2024 10:22

What about the other two left/right dichotomies, not afaik related to handedness and without any cultural advantage or disdavantage.

When you interlock your hands with fingers threaded together which thumb is on top?

When you cross your arms which hand tucks in, which stays out?

I am: right handed, left thumb on top, right hand out

Handedness is apparently decided in utero - it will be the thumb the foetus puts in it's mouth.

No spectrum needed,

quantumbutterfly · 13/10/2024 11:53

SerendipityJane · 13/10/2024 11:24

Handedness is apparently decided in utero - it will be the thumb the foetus puts in it's mouth.

No spectrum needed,

Right handed dominant, never sucked my thumb, sucked finger on my left hand.
Sucking is a comfort thing, I used my dominant hand and sucked the finger on my left hand. Such a multitasker.😁
When I clasp hands left thumb is uppermost, when I cross arms right hand tucks in.

SerendipityJane · 13/10/2024 12:01

Right handed dominant, never sucked my thumb, sucked finger on my left hand.

How did you find out what happened in the womb, out of interest ?

quantumbutterfly · 13/10/2024 12:13

You're suggesting I sucked my right thumb in utero then changed hands ex utero? Possible.

OuterSpaceCadet · 13/10/2024 12:14

quantumbutterfly · 13/10/2024 11:53

Right handed dominant, never sucked my thumb, sucked finger on my left hand.
Sucking is a comfort thing, I used my dominant hand and sucked the finger on my left hand. Such a multitasker.😁
When I clasp hands left thumb is uppermost, when I cross arms right hand tucks in.

Yes similar for me re dominant hand being in use and other for sucking from young age.

I suppose I could have started out sucking the other side though. Need to dig out the baby pics!

DeanElderberry · 13/10/2024 12:38

The thing I find interesting about the thumb on top, hand on top thing is that id does not seem to be linked to handedness.