In Australia - Moira Deeming defamation trial now on

[TheSandgroper]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-09-17/moira-deeming-john-pesutto-defamation-trial-day-two/104360100

This is from our very TRA ABC. Please note the comment from “Mr Southwick, a Jewish MP re Angie Jones’ tweet”. Well, Angie Jones is as Jewish as they come but they don’t say that.

Also, for, those who don’t know, see Angie on m.youtube.com/@TERFTalkDownUnder, though she hasn’t posted for a while. Some really good interviews.

Rapists put among locked up women in prison, children given medicines and surgical interventions without sound basis, males taking women’s places and scholarships in women’s sports, males getting to physically hit women in women’s sports, males enabled to expose themselves and engage in voyeurism against women and girls, males allowed to stay in women’s refuges and rape crisis centres. It’s never ending. And yes, these men (however they identify) are given free rein, unbridled and unfettered with no care to the effects on women and girls. Any normal safeguarding protections or procedures removed. Then ironically, those who wish to act out their personal professed ‘identities’ in such an unbridled and unfettered way that it impacts woman and children, call the police and report anyone who rightly call it out, or even simply refuse to agree with their anti-science belief system. Want to have them thrown in jail, even.

While a woman was visited by the police for ‘being untoward about paedophiles”. A woman in court, not pretending a male is a lady being admonished for it. Women losing jobs for calling it out. Lesbians being called sexual racists if they won’t pretend men are women. Women in prison being penalised for stating the men in their midst make them unsafe.

Nihilistic, anarchic, and unfettered reign for those in the first paragraph, who then want iron control against those pushing back against such anti science beliefs being enforced by organisations or laws of the state itself.

@Cailin66

If you are credulous enough to share the irrational beliefs of the small selection of examples below, I hold your views in such high regard, I’m sure, that I would be devastated. I would find it hard to believe there is anything at all genuine about such people.

Good lord. I'm sorry I bothered.

Apologies, that was meant for @Cailleach1

But Messina, they are NOT far right. I thought we had agreed this.

So I believe using them as an example is a falsehood. We can agree that they are conservative. And they are undoubtedly conservative. But using them as an example of far right is dishonest, in my opinion.

Just because they are conservative, doesn’t make them uninterested in women’s rights. And it doesn’t mean they are not focused on women’s rights and girl’s rights as being significant issues to be debated and improved.

And this is where I find your attempt to harden the point they are not officially affiliated rather contrary to the point of the discussion. There is an undeniably strong connect between the Liberal Party and the National Party in CPAC.

And this year, would you agree that the majority of the politicians or ex politicians speaking that are Australian, are from those parties? Yes or no?

Is it that you believe those parties are not interested in women’s and girl’s rights?

I believe, I have already said what I think about invited speakers and whether they should be considered aligned with CPAC’s views. I will cut and paste it here for convenience.

“So what do I think? I think that if a group doesn’t have experts within to speak about a topical issue, then going to experts with direct experience is a good thing. I think all people in the world should be seeking to better understand the issue. And that even if the group has opposing views to you, if you are invited to speak and have a chance to change people’s understanding of an issue. Even if they are politically opposed to you, you should be able to do so without the abusive tactic of being forever labeled as being aligned with that group.”

”It is an abusive tactic to label someone speaking to a group or on a show as being somehow politically aligned to a political movement they do not support.”

I am going to add that if you mean to categorise this group as ‘far right’ because they are the most extreme right wing that you can think of having events discussing current topics needing debate, perhaps this is why we keep speaking at cross purposes.

Pesutto will be on the stand tomorrow sometime after the opening argument from his KC. Court starts at 10:15am AEST/Melbourne time.

Thank you. Will try to catch this later tonight.

Unfortunately, those who now occupy the left seems to require women to stop engaging in a fight for our own rights, and believe (or profess anyway) that we don’t really have a distinct material existence. Well, other than in the context of props for the men who say they are women.

When did that rot come about, and why have the left thought it ok to walk all over women and girls at the behest of men’s feeling of entitlement?

Not uniquely, of course, but predominantly (if not completely). There was that one fringe Communist party which seemed to believe that women existed as a biological fact (which didn’t include men in their definition) and even had rights. Unfortunately, that now means they are still fringe left.

“I was outside the Labour conference last year as trans right mobs screamed abuse for three hours - just in response to women speaking.”

Just going to say here shortshrift there is nothing quite like being there and seeing it/being on the receiving end. It certainly puts some things into greater perspective, doesn’t it?

Georgia Meloni is not far right, She is a fairly mainstream European leader, albeit it of the Right rather than the Left.

Hence Keir Starmer's recent meeting with her. Perhaps he should have shunned her like all right thinking people.

https://www.politico.eu/article/britain-left-wing-government-giorgia-meloni/

“You’ve made remarkable progress,” in tackling migration, Starmer said at a joint press conference with Meloni. The pair had earlier enjoyed a working pasta lunch at an Italian villa after a smiley, jokey walk through the gardens. Starmer and a group of senior officials, including his new border security chief Martin Hewitt, were also given a tour of an interior ministry department at the center of the Italian government’s plans for for tackling migration.
In their joint press conference, Meloni revealed Starmer had shown “great interest” in Italy’s controversial Albania migrant processing scheme. In his own remarks Starmer, however, was keen to talk about Italy’s work on tackling the problem “upstream” rather than the more contentious Albania policy, which is due to go live shortly.
Whatever the policy specifics, Britain is still interested in whatever Italy has done — after irregular migration arrivals by sea to Italy this year fell by more than 60 percent.

Of course he shouldn't "shun" her (another recent addition to the FWR lexicon). He has to do business with all leaders regardless of if he agrees/disagrees with their politics. Its fairly major to "shun" a leader. In fact I can only really think of Kim Jong Un that gets properly shunned. Even Putin has diplomatic channels to the UK.

At least the pictures of Meloni and Starmer look business like, unlike the Sunak/Meloni love in. I'd have been very miffed if I was Akshata.

Nice to see we've finally got back onto the familiar safe ground of why The Left (TM) Is Responsible For All Evil. Would really be nice to stick to the trial.

Might it be an effort at derailment. And it's working. We're all talking nonsense now about the Far Right.

As regards derailment, anyone who says they won't debate, in this case with me, then they are without good faith and have zero interest in debate. They are not here for discussion or debate.

Why are you posting another posers posts and putting me in there. Are you talking to me or Cailleach1

Just going to say here shortshrift there is nothing quite like being there and seeing it/being on the receiving end. It certainly puts some things into greater perspective, doesn’t it?

Definitely.

Why are you posting another posers posts and putting me in there. Are you talking to me or Cailleach1

@Cailin66
They did exactly the same with one of my posts. Maybe they need to read posts more carefully and not attribute them to the wrong posters.

Why on earth would someone want to have any form of conversation with someone who calls them "bad faith" and implies they are lying? What would be the point?
If I thought someone was "bad faith" I'd have no interest in discussing with them as they would not be saying anything reliable. So what's the point?

In response to your gasp of ‘Anti-Science? The left?” As if we have all been under a rock for the past decade. Or do we pretend for the good of the Party (not so much for women and girls, though)?

”But a cervix, is something you can have following various procedures and hormone treatment and all the rest of it” The very rational and scientifically based views of David Lammy.
“Not right to say only women have a cervix” The very rational and scientifically based views of Keir Starmer.
“I believe fundamentally in people’s right to self ID… so I think that crimes that are recorded should be recorded as that person wishes.”
“You asked about whether trans people should be in women’s or men’s prisons. I think trans women are woman and trans men are men. So I think they should be accommodated in the prison of their choosing.”
The very rational and scientifically based views of Lisa Nandy.

Not quite sure if that means you genuinely think those statements are rational and scientific, if you don’t agree with the view they are anti-Scientific. Or whether you think they are what they are. Anti Science - the Left.

Well it seems to me there are two posters on this thread pretending to debate and then when we put an effort into a response they immediately try and shut us down. Which leads me to my own conclusions about honest debate and what is really going on.

On a lighter note, this Moira Deeming thing in Australia seems to be upsetting them. So good.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.9news.com.au/article/d162bdc3-4fb2-450e-8f80-6c04b86f52ca

This has more details about the "double cross".

I find it difficult to square this with the previous evidence that Deeming had already said she was "moving to defamation" though. That suggests nothing Pesutto did would be acceptable to her.

The infighting and factions are really being laid bare. It's hard to see how any of them can be credible again after this as they are all contradicting each other so much.

It feels to me like whichever side "wins" that faction will get ultimate control of the Victorian wing of the party as I don't see how they can reform working relationships after this.

I've been on here long enough not to have a poster try and twist things against me. Water of a duck ...luv.

In even better news, I see that someone is supporting Moira Deeming and not Pesutto's view of events.

Moira Deeming defamation trial: The moment MP's mentor 'knew we'd been double-crossed' (9news.com.au)

I agree - so many threads have gone this way. I'm waiting for news from Australia.

I think you are trying to say "there are two left leaning posters on this thread and I'm not interested in their opinions because The Left Are Responsible All Evil".

I don't have to "discuss" with someone who thinks I'm a liar. Why would I?

So now you are making up stuff about me. I couldn't care less about left or right or this or that. Because it's not relevant. It's a derailment.

What is relevant is the cessation of the mutilation of children, the indoctrination of vulnerable children into believing they can change sex, and the encroachment of women's safe space.

In the UK I couldn't care less whether it's Labour or the Consevatives change things. In Ireland same thing (I'm Irish FF/FG/SF). Australia same. The Far Left this and the Right that, bunkum. All that matters is rolling back on this evil ideology/cult.

I think they think we are stupid. Thank goodness this is ending. And praise the Lord for Cass. (obviously I'm not religious but no harm is using a handy phrase). Cass has been a gamechanger. I came on here a few years ago as I could no longer debate on an Irish website because women like me were told to put up and shut up. Which was something I would never do. This derailment is more of it, an attempt to shut us down, or to make us get cross and get banned. Not playing that game.

Here is what you said:

Your hostility to KJK, not a woman I agree with in everything, your post that Liz Truss as Far right something, while claiming to be GC, nah, not buying it. Not until, you stop playing games, because it’s my opinion that’s what you are at.

I do not understand why you are so insistent I "debate" you when you write off what I say with statements like the above. It is a waste of my time and yours. So now please stop posting comments about "refusing to discuss" because I'm finding it goady.

Hallelujah. Just found this
https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/moira-deeming-v-john-pesutto-a-case

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