In Australia - Moira Deeming defamation trial now on

[TheSandgroper]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-09-17/moira-deeming-john-pesutto-defamation-trial-day-two/104360100

This is from our very TRA ABC. Please note the comment from “Mr Southwick, a Jewish MP re Angie Jones’ tweet”. Well, Angie Jones is as Jewish as they come but they don’t say that.

Also, for, those who don’t know, see Angie on m.youtube.com/@TERFTalkDownUnder, though she hasn’t posted for a while. Some really good interviews.

I was commenting to short not you, apologies, I thought I'd quoted the post.

I'm sorry, I disagree with your characterisation of a "simplistic division". I think that lets fascists and actual Nazis (of the type at the rally uninvited) off the hook because it takes away the language to talk about it. As I say, it's reminiscent of "women do it too". Yes, there are some dangerous hard left groups, but not many and they are not in positions of power. The same cannot be said for the far right sadly. I use far right deliberately to distinguish from the average right wing voter who would never support the approach of some of these groups.

The Nazis who gatecrashed the LWS were Nazis - yes let's condemn, I'm right with you. However you take it further and accuse the women organising the meeting as also being right wing and fascist or being duped and standing with fascists.
What you do not do is condemn the antifa and TRA who were only there to oppose the women, and attack their human right to voice their opinions and have been actually violent on more than one occasion.

It is the left that is trying to silence women and that feels fascist to me which is why I no longer belong to the Labour Party.
This is happening today.

I'm just sharing this piece on Angie Jones who was the other victim of John Pesutto.

https://www.womensforumaustralia.org/the_vilification_of_angie_jones
After days of online abuse and threats against her life and family, Angie Jones pulled over the car, head in her hands, wondering when the torment would end. Were her kids safe? Was her life in danger? How long would she have to live in fear? Jones called her friend, Katherine Deves, who recognised the breaking point of overwhelming darkness that comes from the relentless bullying of faceless strangers, whose goal is to assure their target that the entire world hates them and wishes them dead. A lifelong left-wing feminist of Jewish descent and single mother of four, the last thing Jones expected was that she would be defamed in the media as a far-right extremist.

No Pesutto yet. Lunch has just started and court will resume at 2:15pm, so in 1hr 20mins. Great time to catch up on anything in the livestream. I don’t think that Pesutto is appearing today because Collins is still making the opening argument. Videos and recordings to be played after lunch.

I think in essence Pesutto is arguing that he didn’t defame Deeming in the media release on 19? March 2023 so that’s that. Anything said in interviews etc afterwards doesn’t count towards any defamation. I’m surprised by that but it sounds like it’s a particular application of the exact law or something.

Lots of tweets submitted. Lots of shit piled on KJK.

Have caught up with the thread, thanks insomnia. Will pick up the resulting afternoon action after the uk school run I guess

Yes, I'm going to bed now so will miss him if he comes on after lunch but agree with you.

Pesutto is on the stand.

Crysanthou SC (Deeming’s lawyer) is grilling Pesutto about his opinion and regard of social media. Pesutto’s side submitted a crapload of Tweets as evidence. Crysanthou has just read out a quote from an interview Pesutto gave a few weeks ago where he said “the gutter of social media” and some other word (invective?) indicating that he doesn’t take much notice of social media as valid apart from the general mood of the public. She’d also pointed out that Pesutto that he’s had shitty false stuff said about him on social media and he agreed that that had happened.

A man that I assume is Deeming’s husband is sitting with her to support her. Body language indicates a close relationship. She seems more fidgety and unsettled than previous days. Previously she’s been quite still and showing no emotion.

Thanks for the live update, @FeralWoman

I wish he’d stop saying “Your Honour”. Sounds like he’s trying to suck up to the judge. Pesutto used to be a lawyer and has previously been the Shadow Attorney General in Victoria.

His voice is annoying. Someone give him a throat lozenge. I’m having trouble concentrating on his words because of his voice. Having SpongeBob and TMNT on the tv isn’t helping.

Crysanthou is dissecting Pesutto. It’s glorious. He’s looking like an arrogant liar.

Just woke up and started watching this, fascinating, talking about Pesutto’s comments in the past, shame I have to go to work, it’s much better than the telly🤣

Thanks Feral Woman,

I think this could be a problem for her:
Collins points out that an impression might have been given by the trial thus far that it's an unfair dismissal claim. It's not, it's defamation.

Whether she's been treated unfairly isn't the issue, paradoxically that's the part of her case that's clearest. I wonder why she didn't take an unfair dismissal route?

Live tweeting:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1838371889355591945.html

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1838402895466893628.html

Interesting it mentions the judge also appears critical of police actions. I wonder if there will be potential ramifications to the police?

Now Pesutto is being interrogated on his feeling in 2018 that the Liberal Party was drifting "from the mainstream". What does he mean by mainstream?

😂 it's so like this thread

To everyone: keep in mind that this tweeter is biased, especially the last two hours or so of today’s proceedings. Crysanthou was fabulous. She was having none of Pesutto’s crap. This account heavily criticises her.

Collins opening statement was good I thought. SC has exposed Pesutto as potentially being unfair but so far not shown any defamation. Quibbling over "There's a difference btw saying 'I never said that' vs saying 'It's not true'. You were required to publicly say 'it's not true, she's not a Nazi'" seems a bit ridiculous. Especially when as far as I can see he hasn't publicly said anything about her being a nazi - just about associations with extremists.

If you can find another more appropriate live tweeter on threadreader (so everyone can read it) let me know - I can't as I said before.

The live tweeters I've read and the news articles have all made the point in Collins opening that the claim is defamation, not unfair dismissal. I'm not sure SC has addressed that really. But going to look for a different live tweeter

You do know she's not an employee. So she can't be unfairly dismissed. She's a politician, she's elected. She can be ejected from a political party, that is not unfair dismissal. What exactly is your point?

• You're a nazi = not ok
• You associate with extremists who have naxi links = ok, so not defamatory.

Seriously. LOL.

Do you really want me to write at great length about Stalin's Russia, Mao's China or about any of the current South American Leftist regimes?The attempt to show some contemporary leftist equivalences were lost on you, clearly.I've already briefly mentioned the actions and policies of Leftist governments in Germany, Spain and our own Labour Party.

My point is being "ejected from the party" is not defamation so I'm wondering why she took that route if there were other pathways that would have had a higher chance of success. Because it seems to me the case for unfair treatment is much stronger than the case for defamation.

There is no need for rudeness. I'm not an employment lawyer and have no idea of the options available to someone ejected from a party.

You are completely missing the point, I suggest you follow more closely.

Deeming claims Pesutto didn't meet the agreement they had made to offer her support in a statement, he says he did. SC was quibbling over his precise words as to whether he met an agreement.

I'm not responding to you again as you are being very rude.