Where were all the 'transchildren'?

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A question transactivism cannot answer.

Where were all the 'transchildren' from 1920-2000 when Piaget, Kohlberg, Bandura, Vygotsky, Erikson, Bowlby, Steiner etc along with their students (and their vociferous critics) were spending tens of thousands of hours doing empirical research on children?

Research that involved studying children at home, in nursery and at school. Studies that involved writing down every action, statement, or question that the child asked. And then analysing these recordings for patterns and insights.

Not one of them observed a 'transchild' in all this time.

So where were all the 'transchildren'?

The logical answer is, of course, nowhere, as they were not yet required. They were not invented as a typology until the 2000s when the trans movement needed children to validate the sexual fetishes of autogynephiles and make transgenderism palatable for the public.

The other answer is a conspiracy theory. That research showing transchildren existed was suppressed; rather like alien conspiracy theorists talk about Area 51 in Nevada USA.

If we ignore the conspiracy theory, we are left with the answer that no child was trans until the 'transchild' was needed, in the 2000s, to demonstrate the universality of 'gender identity'.

Children, sadly, were the logical choice due to their undeveloped brains/thinking and their vulnerability. It is not hard to persuade children that Santa exists or even that sexual abuse is a normal part of family life. 'Gender identity' can easily be packaged to appeal to the magical thinking of children.

'Transchildren' have thus become the main focus of transgenderism. For the activists know that without the winsome, photogenic 'transchild', groomed to repeat adult phrases about 'gender identity' the movement consists in the main of adult males with a fetish for dressing up as women.

Transgender ideology needs 'transchildren' to survive. It needs them to harm themselves and kill themselves to demonstrate that the ideology is real.

We need to protect our children. And we can start by debunking the idea and existence of the 'transchild'.

And yes transsexualism and transvestitism did exist through history. What is extraordinary is how these historic identities have been erased by the modern blokes who wear dresses and call themselves transwomen. Where are the transvestites and transsexuals now?

And yes again...
Children experimenting with sex roles and pretending to be the opposite sex is well documented.

This was always historically regarded as a playful phase of experimentation and growing up. It was ignored just as children pretending to be dinosaurs, horses, airplanes etc

What is new is adults stepping into the playful pretences and pathologising them for their own gratification. And insisting that one particular iteration of pretend play is an adult 'gender identity'.

This is child abuse.

And another question that cannot be answered by transactivism.

Where are all the children pre 2000 who killed themselves because their 'gender identity' was not affirmed?

(As we are frequently told "better a live son than a dead daughter" in order to bully parents into allowing their children to be prescribed puberty blockers. Parents are terrified into allowing transition.)

So what happened before the advent of 'gender affirmative care'? According to the current transgender narrative, there would be thousands of children from 1920-2000s who had killed themselves because they were misgendered - and btw what a historic scandal that would have been. But there are no records of these deaths. Mass suicide by misgendered children is yet another transactivists fabrication unless, of course, you believe conspiracy theories and believe all these deaths of 'transchildren' were hidden.

There is no part of scaffolding that supports the 'transchild' fabrication that can stand up to the remotest scrutiny.

And if you are thinking what additional force apart from transgenderism is driving the transing of children, look at this link. Transing children and young people is a highly profitable business with revenue forecast to double by 2030. https://grandviewresearch.com/industry-analysis/us-sex-reassignment-surgery-market…

I didn't say anything about liposuction or affirming them . You are arguing with me about points I haven't made.

I see, so you're going to be disingenuous.

I specifically said "would you give liposuction to anorexics?" and you responded to that yes, you would give surgery that would help anorexics. So what point were you making? What surgery are you talking about?

I don't think it exists. I was saying I'd support it if it were to exist.

I also said upthread thad I don't support puberty blockers etc for children so we agree on that point.

How does that explain teenage girls wanting to be boys?

btw there are many oestrogenic molecules naturally present in the environment.

Because it's a vanishingly rare true dysphoria.

Honestly, I have no idea. I think it's probably a mix of social contagion, the way society sexualises young girls and the fact that the world is generally more accepting of transpeople than it was in years gone by. Probably many other factors now. I don't think this is a simple thing with a simple explanation.

https://www.acs.org/pressroom/presspacs/2011/acs-presspac-february-23-2011/new-report-dont-blame-the-pill-for-estrogen-in-drinking-water.html#:~:text=And%20that%20all%20humans%2C%20(men,just%20women%20taking%20the%20pill.

Absolutely Correct. Follow the money. And when you’ve done that, follow the perv—-ion. Profit and sexual excitement, what a potent combination.

And are children who feel distressed with their sex or suffer from gender dysphoria something specific we should call "trans children", or might it be possible that they are more like the equivalent of anorexics who have severe body dysmorphia, also a body-self mismatch about their weight, so just believe they are "born in the wrong body?" for a number of reasons.

What does it mean to be "born in the wrong body?" How could you tell? What is it that's mismatching exactly?

@Octavia64 thank you for your measured and informed comments, they were refreshing to read.

People would label my opinions as gender-critical too, yet I would have been one of the non-gender conforming children in the 1980s that people don’t seem to believe existed.
My mother may have been one in the 1950s, she definitely broke the mould. If the notion of ‘trans’ had existed or been known to me when I was a child I’d definitely have identified as this.
Why isn’t there evidence of us? Because no one asked.
I am glad I didn’t have the ‘trans’ route in some respects as I had time to pretend in the female role until I became comfortable as a non-gender conforming adult, despite the bullying society levels at non-feminine women.

1. the girl question: social contagion

2. the naturally occurring oestrogens are warped by the strength and concentration of synthetic oestrogens such as ethinylestradiol. With HRT booming, and the longevity of artificially created hormones, the concentration must be increasing all the time. This is not comparable with naturally occurring hormones.

This is American ('deny everything!'), and 13 years old.

But liposuction for anorexics is the equivalent of gender affirming surgery for people with gender dysphoria.

And FYI surgical treatment for those who want to change sex doesn't exist either.

see my post above.

Something in the water, or the rise of porn and the resurgence of heavily gendered expectations, or perhaps sexual expectations or assault making girls not want to be female?

It was notable, as recorded in the Cass review, that there was a far higher incidence of looked-after children among the new cohort of girls being seen at gender clinics than in the rest of the population. As well as the notably higher rate of girls with autism and who appeared to be same sex attracted. The latter does back up the earlier testimonies of the whistleblowers at the Tavi GIDS service, a number of whom were themselves gay, that they felt that clinicians using the affirmation model might eventually lead to attempts to "trans away the gay".

I don't think it is equivalent. This is where we differ. I think it's different because people do go on to live full and happy lives after transitioning, whereas anorexic people's lives are not improved by removing fat from their body, surgically or otherwise..

I'm a bit confused at your second sentence. Surgery for these people obviously exists. I don't think it actually makes them change sex but the surgery exists.

Has anyone here said that gender nonconforming children didn't exist, though? Where?

I mean, I was one of said children, so...

I thought we'd all agreed that gender nonconformity is and has always been common. Who has said it doesn't exist?

I did read your post.
The article you linked says that, in America,the pill can't be blamed entirely for artificial oestrogen in the water supply. It still says there are significant amounts of artificial oestrogen in the water supply.

There is no such thing as a trans child, this is accepted in medical practice in the UK and particularly by Dr David Bell who was a whistleblower for the Tavistock.

gender nonconforming children

That's just all children isn't it?

Well, children that haven't been exposed to marketing or parental/social conditioning.

They're definitely not the equivalent!

There are so many ways to be a girl and so many ways to be a boy. Gender non-comformity is simply an illustration of that.

I think some children feel real distress about their sex. We should be careful not to dismiss this distress.,

In the 1980s we certainly had children that didn't want to conform to gender norms of dressing etc. The girls were 'tom boys' and the boys were transvestites. They generally either grew out of it or turned out to be gay. It was never suggested that they were actually the opposite gender, girls having short hair and wearing tradittonal buys clothes were still girls and boys wearing makeup and dresses were boys wearing makeup and dresses, not 'girls' born in the wrong body.' They still went in the men's toilet and everybody sniggered behind their backs. Only pops strars got away with dressing as the opposite sex.

Yes, Dol some children do but what external factor is provoking that distress in the children? We need to solve that question rather than going along with the idea that surgery & hormones are the only hammer for this particular nail.

Seems you missed the sentence where I commented if the choice had existed at the time I would have identified as trans … hence you have 2x type 2 errors in your reasoning