Where were all the 'transchildren'?

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@ prof_curiosity1:

A question transactivism cannot answer.

Where were all the 'transchildren' from 1920-2000 when Piaget, Kohlberg, Bandura, Vygotsky, Erikson, Bowlby, Steiner etc along with their students (and their vociferous critics) were spending tens of thousands of hours doing empirical research on children?

Research that involved studying children at home, in nursery and at school. Studies that involved writing down every action, statement, or question that the child asked. And then analysing these recordings for patterns and insights.

Not one of them observed a 'transchild' in all this time.

So where were all the 'transchildren'?

The logical answer is, of course, nowhere, as they were not yet required. They were not invented as a typology until the 2000s when the trans movement needed children to validate the sexual fetishes of autogynephiles and make transgenderism palatable for the public.

The other answer is a conspiracy theory. That research showing transchildren existed was suppressed; rather like alien conspiracy theorists talk about Area 51 in Nevada USA.

If we ignore the conspiracy theory, we are left with the answer that no child was trans until the 'transchild' was needed, in the 2000s, to demonstrate the universality of 'gender identity'.

Children, sadly, were the logical choice due to their undeveloped brains/thinking and their vulnerability. It is not hard to persuade children that Santa exists or even that sexual abuse is a normal part of family life. 'Gender identity' can easily be packaged to appeal to the magical thinking of children.

'Transchildren' have thus become the main focus of transgenderism. For the activists know that without the winsome, photogenic 'transchild', groomed to repeat adult phrases about 'gender identity' the movement consists in the main of adult males with a fetish for dressing up as women.

Transgender ideology needs 'transchildren' to survive. It needs them to harm themselves and kill themselves to demonstrate that the ideology is real.

We need to protect our children. And we can start by debunking the idea and existence of the 'transchild'.

And yes transsexualism and transvestitism did exist through history. What is extraordinary is how these historic identities have been erased by the modern blokes who wear dresses and call themselves transwomen. Where are the transvestites and transsexuals now?

And yes again...
Children experimenting with sex roles and pretending to be the opposite sex is well documented.

This was always historically regarded as a playful phase of experimentation and growing up. It was ignored just as children pretending to be dinosaurs, horses, airplanes etc

What is new is adults stepping into the playful pretences and pathologising them for their own gratification. And insisting that one particular iteration of pretend play is an adult 'gender identity'.

This is child abuse.

And another question that cannot be answered by transactivism.

Where are all the children pre 2000 who killed themselves because their 'gender identity' was not affirmed?

(As we are frequently told "better a live son than a dead daughter" in order to bully parents into allowing their children to be prescribed puberty blockers. Parents are terrified into allowing transition.)

So what happened before the advent of 'gender affirmative care'? According to the current transgender narrative, there would be thousands of children from 1920-2000s who had killed themselves because they were misgendered - and btw what a historic scandal that would have been. But there are no records of these deaths. Mass suicide by misgendered children is yet another transactivists fabrication unless, of course, you believe conspiracy theories and believe all these deaths of 'transchildren' were hidden.

There is no part of scaffolding that supports the 'transchild' fabrication that can stand up to the remotest scrutiny.

And if you are thinking what additional force apart from transgenderism is driving the transing of children, look at this link. Transing children and young people is a highly profitable business with revenue forecast to double by 2030. https://grandviewresearch.com/industry-analysis/us-sex-reassignment-surgery-market…

The thing with the 'gender bender' tag was that it was a 'clever' rhyme, not that it reflected common usage. It was there with the immortal schoolboy ditty, Amo Amas I loved a lass / and she was tall and slender / Amas Amat I laid her flat / and tickled her feminine gender.

The 18th century poet John O'Keefe wrote a more elaborate version which made it every obvious he was being arch and playing with grammatical terms, not using language as it was spoken. There's a reason he's pretty obscure.

https://allpoetry.com/Amo,-Amas

I remember how we used to laugh (politely, not to their faces) at the extremely prissy who started using 'gender' as though it meant 'sex' in the 1990s (and as though they thought 'sex' was a bad word). If only we'd known,

A lot of damage has been done by people (especially Americans) who said gender because to say sex might cause the kids to snigger. I don't think anyone anticipated the damage cranks like Judith Butler would do.

Though it's not a particularly new substitution. Warren Zevon's 1976 song "Poor Poor Pitiful Me", better known from the 1978 Linda Ronstadt cover version that toned down the BDSM elements, has the line she was a credit to her gender, and I don't think Zevon was talking about Latin grammar.

oi you with the prissy, my family were easily shockable.😁

We used to laugh at the idea of gender studies though, didn't take it seriously, not laughing now.

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Well, this thread has deteriorated 😄

Latin authors were much dirtier than anything we got to read in English.

Though even then we only got the milder bits of Ovid. We never read Ars Amatoria, so you could say we didn't know our ars from our elbow

I've been told I shouldn't call people prissy

Ha, I did a classics degree so read the lot.

Pure filth!

What ? You're doing as you're told?

Who are you and what have you done with DeanElderberry?

I always read Juvenal as a kind of 2000 year old Richard Littlejohn.

'Ere guv, what about them Greeks, coming over here and corrupting our Roman youth, tell you what, I had that Marcus Aurelius in the back of my chariot last week, very clever man.

I was always quite fond of Juvenal, although preferred Martial for snark. But yes, there was a Ukip equivalent tinge to Juvenal now I think about it.

Me and a friend have been wondering lately whether this is additionally (on top of the stonewall lobbying) all to do with the lack of 'tribes' nowadays linked to a music scene.

In the 80's&90's you could be punk, goth, metal, new romantic, pop (madonna😄), indie, brit pop. There were plenty of identities you could veer towards depending on what music you were into.

This doesn't exist now so maybe young people have latched onto this as a way to feel unique and form their cliques? Very bleak if you ask me - at least we had the music get obsessed about rather than strapping and puberty blockers.

Wrong!
I would have identified as a trans child. That was clearly stated.
Do not change my feelings to suit your narrow narrative.

This thread was about the lack of historical evidence of trans kids. I provided both academic and personal insight about why no evidence does not mean there were none.

You do not get to declare because I never had the chance to transition as a child I never would have. I may have. I probably would have. I could go into why this would be the case but will save that for a respectful audience who have open minds to others experience.

I rarely get disgusted with people preferring to understand where their beliefs and behaviours come from. However I’ll make an exception for some on this thread.

I’m what would be classed as gender-critical by some, but if this is the response recieved to even minor factual challenge god help those who wholeheartedly disagree

1 excellent thread
2 I blame the English language:
2.1 in English "sex" means both who we are from a reproductive purpose (yes we are animals and we exist to procreate, don't shoot the messenger) and the act of intercourse.
2.2 someone at some point (I haven't figured out who and when) decided in English you need another word, "gender" to sort of mean sex but not quite. Not found in many other languages.

It's 2024 and I need to work hard to avoid pink+sparkles+unicorns in the girls clothing section (nothing wrong with them but that cannot be the only choice, c'mon, what's wrong with green and yellow and red?!) AND I have to protest various governments' efforts to restrict what I'm allowed to do with my female body (see abortion rights) AND I have to patiently explain to people that men do not become women even if they really really really want to.... Makes me furious.

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I would have identified as a trans child.

What do you mean by this @TeatimeForTheSoul?

What do you think a trans child is?

I'm struggling to understand what you mean by being a trans child. You felt that you were the opposite sex and would have liked to be treated as such? Would have taken steps to medically transition?

Presumably a "genuinely" trans child must become a trans adult? Otherwise it surely must be a phase they're going through.

We are told that if someone is trans then they are trans. We are told by trans-identifying adults that they always knew they were trans, sometimes from a very early age. Presumably someone who identifies or would have identified as a trans child must therefore in due course identify as a trans adult.

You say you never had the chance to transition as a child. So, now that that chance appears to be widely available, may I ask, have you transitioned as an adult? I, open-mindedly, would be interested to know about your experience of this and whether it has provided a resolution. Or perhaps you disagree with the first paragraph?

There are presently lots of teenage girls transitioning now who ‘must’ have been trans children, but where is the equivalent number of middle aged women who somehow had their transness suppressed in the past? Why aren’t they transitioning now that it is socially applauded? Why is it only vast numbers of middle aged men who insist they knew they were the wrong sex when they were children, and are now able to become their true selves?

My friends sister insisted that she was a boy for years, she is now a lesbian woman who is quite happy in her identity. I disagree with your OP purely as I know what my friends sister went through. I'm not saying she was 'trans' but she was GNC with an enduring wish to be perceived as a boy. I actually now know a few people who went through this as a child.

I think we should allow children to be children and explore their identities but we should not medicalise them at all. My friends parents dealt with it beautifully, they were loving and allowed her to explore her identity whilst not allowing her to believe that she actually was the opposite sex and deny reality.

I really don't think it helps anyone to deny that there are GNC or even trans children (as pp said, if you believe there are trans adults then it makes sense there are trans children) but we should not be medicalising these children, allow them to grow and make decisions as adults.

Totally agree. Extreme GNC was always a thing and needs to be recognised. I found this podcast really interesting. Also look at the little video in show notes. It shows exactly how GNC she was

podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/gender-a-wider-lens/id1542655295?i=1000581893393

So you agree with the OP, even though you insist that you disagree. I suggest you read the OP again.

This is one of the things I wish someone would answer.

Where are all the middle-aged women-to-men transitioners?

Where are all the middle-aged women-to-men transitioners?

There aren't any, because they all killed themselves as teenagers because they couldn't transition. Obviously.

Another thing that has always puzzled me.

Where - before and after 2000 - are all these transchildren suicides? Where are their messages/explanations/testimonies? The funerals? And where are the grieving, angry, campaigning parents?

I've never really thought about how few, if any, middle-aged female-to-male transitioners there are, yet so many teenage girls. That's a really interesting point.

I did come across a middle-aged female "non-binary" recently, and I'm afraid my main thought was "FFS".