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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Surely Mridul Wadhwa has to go now? Report into ERCC out.

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GargoylesofBeelzebub · 12/09/2024 12:12

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13842189/Edinburgh-Crisis-Centre-designed-protect-women-suffered-sexual-violence-condemned-failing-damning-report.html

Pretty scathing. Wadhwa cannot stay surely?

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/09/2024 19:02

...it's very difficult to remain radical and transgressive all the time because the system is continually adapting to accommodate you, so you have to continually step outside that moment of transgression to a further moment of transgression and keep pushing.

Incredibly revealing of how these people think.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 23/09/2024 19:06

That article! Good to see so many journalists and commentators now refusing to pander to supporters of this ideology demanding uncritical pandering to all the delusions, abuse, harm and linguistic hoops that they insist on.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/09/2024 19:11

Why is "transgression" a worthy goal in and of itself? Pure queer theory. Sheila Jeffreys explores this mentality in detail in her book "Unpacking Queer Politics: A Lesbian Feminist Perspective."

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/664261.UnpackingQueerr_Politics

Villagetoraiseachild · 23/09/2024 19:23

I wonder if we were to change the title of this thread to,

Surely Sandy Brindley has to go now?

it would have the same predictive text effect that it had with Mr Idul Wadhwa.

Snowypeaks · 23/09/2024 19:24

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/09/2024 19:11

Why is "transgression" a worthy goal in and of itself? Pure queer theory. Sheila Jeffreys explores this mentality in detail in her book "Unpacking Queer Politics: A Lesbian Feminist Perspective."

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/664261.UnpackingQueerr_Politics

It's a bit of excitement for privileged people who are bored - no struggles with money, cushy jobs etc etc. First world thrill-seeking without any real world consequences for them.

MaidOfAle · 23/09/2024 19:26

...it's very difficult to remain radical and transgressive all the time because the system is continually adapting to accommodate you, so you have to continually step outside that moment of transgression to a further moment of transgression and keep pushing.

This competitive edginess is about money and about trying to stay relevant to keep getting funding and about being the "coolest" kid in the room. Stonewall adopted the trans cause for the same reasons. When same-sex marriage became law, that was an example of "the system adapting to accommodate you" and so Stonewall stepped outside of LGB rights into trans activism to "keep pushing". Same-sex marriage was the last legal hurdle to LGB people having the same rights as straight people and so the Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Act 2013 meant that Stonewall no longer had a purpose. This would have been a great time for the trustees to set up some mechanism to protect Stonewall's legacy (perhaps by endowing a museum or library to document the gay liberation struggle) and shut up shop. But, that would mean the CEO and other staff having to find other jobs. So they adopted trans activism to extend the life of the organisation, maintain the funding, and keep those people paid.

This "queering", this perennial escalation of demands via endless "transgression", is to politics what capitalism is to economics. Capitalism relies on creating a demand for a product that didn't exist five minutes ago. Queering relies on creating a demand for alleged "rights" that no one even thought of five minutes ago. At the root of both is money and perceived status.

Helleofabore · 23/09/2024 19:33

...it's very difficult to remain radical and transgressive all the time because the system is continually adapting to accommodate you, so you have to continually step outside that moment of transgression to a further moment of transgression and keep pushing.

They are saying the quiet bit out loud again.

Operation: Let them speak! In action.

lcakethereforeIam · 23/09/2024 19:38

In short, give them an inch and they'll take a mile.

Snowypeaks · 23/09/2024 19:41

MaidOfAle · 23/09/2024 19:26

...it's very difficult to remain radical and transgressive all the time because the system is continually adapting to accommodate you, so you have to continually step outside that moment of transgression to a further moment of transgression and keep pushing.

This competitive edginess is about money and about trying to stay relevant to keep getting funding and about being the "coolest" kid in the room. Stonewall adopted the trans cause for the same reasons. When same-sex marriage became law, that was an example of "the system adapting to accommodate you" and so Stonewall stepped outside of LGB rights into trans activism to "keep pushing". Same-sex marriage was the last legal hurdle to LGB people having the same rights as straight people and so the Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Act 2013 meant that Stonewall no longer had a purpose. This would have been a great time for the trustees to set up some mechanism to protect Stonewall's legacy (perhaps by endowing a museum or library to document the gay liberation struggle) and shut up shop. But, that would mean the CEO and other staff having to find other jobs. So they adopted trans activism to extend the life of the organisation, maintain the funding, and keep those people paid.

This "queering", this perennial escalation of demands via endless "transgression", is to politics what capitalism is to economics. Capitalism relies on creating a demand for a product that didn't exist five minutes ago. Queering relies on creating a demand for alleged "rights" that no one even thought of five minutes ago. At the root of both is money and perceived status.

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Brilliantly explained.

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 23/09/2024 20:42

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/09/2024 19:02

...it's very difficult to remain radical and transgressive all the time because the system is continually adapting to accommodate you, so you have to continually step outside that moment of transgression to a further moment of transgression and keep pushing.

Incredibly revealing of how these people think.

FFS. Radical and regressive is the last thing a survivor would want from a rape crisis centre. Their boundaries have already been transgressed in the most horrible way.

They need safety and comfort.

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GargoylesofBeelzebub · 23/09/2024 20:42

Regressive should be transgressive below

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ArabellaScott · 23/09/2024 20:43

Why is "transgression" a worthy goal in and of itself? Pure queer theory.

Yes, it's all about breaking down boundaries, dismantling rules, upending societal codes and agreements, undermining norms. Entirely destructive.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/09/2024 20:49

FFS. Radical and regressive is the last thing a survivor would want from a rape crisis centre. Their boundaries have already been transgressed in the most horrible way.

They need safety and comfort.

Yes, but these people don't see that as the most important consideration.

GailBlancheViola · 23/09/2024 21:23

FFS. Radical and regressive is the last thing a survivor would want from a rape crisis centre. Their boundaries have already been transgressed in the most horrible way.

Yes. How utterly revolting to use them further.

MaidOfAle · 23/09/2024 21:25

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 23/09/2024 20:42

Regressive should be transgressive below

If you catch your error early enough, you can edit your post.

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 23/09/2024 21:38

@MaidOfAle I use the app and cba to log into the website to edit my posts. But thank you for the info.

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GargoylesofBeelzebub · 23/09/2024 21:40

These letters make interesting reading.

https://www.gov.scot/binaries/content/documents/govscot/publications/foi-eir-release/2024/07/foi-202400416898/documents/foi-202400416898---information-released---annex/foi-202400416898---information-released---annex/govscot%3Adocument/FOI%2B202400416898%2B-%2BInformation%2BReleased%2B-%2BAnnex.pdf

RCS and ERCC seemed confident they would win the ET from Roz.

They investigated MW's comments about firing those with GC beliefs and found nothing wrong. 🙈

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MaidOfAle · 23/09/2024 21:40

The post-rape counselling services and domestic abuse services set up by women for women have always been inherently political. Underpinning these services is the recognition that that women as a class are oppressed by men as a class and that is an inherently political stance to take. This political stance of recognising sex-based oppression has always been the motive for helping victim-survivors as well as informing our understanding of why men make up most sexual offenders and why they usually pick women as their victims.

Sandy has forgotten that the politics is supposed to serve the victim-survivors, not the other way around. It's not appropriate for a counselor to try to turn a victim-survivor into an activist, no matter how noble the cause.

And she has forgotten the politics itself: she has forgotten that women's oppression is sex-based.

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 23/09/2024 21:41

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 23/09/2024 21:40

These letters make interesting reading.

https://www.gov.scot/binaries/content/documents/govscot/publications/foi-eir-release/2024/07/foi-202400416898/documents/foi-202400416898---information-released---annex/foi-202400416898---information-released---annex/govscot%3Adocument/FOI%2B202400416898%2B-%2BInformation%2BReleased%2B-%2BAnnex.pdf

RCS and ERCC seemed confident they would win the ET from Roz.

They investigated MW's comments about firing those with GC beliefs and found nothing wrong. 🙈

MW thought the ET had “roots in the hostile environment that is being created for charities that are openly trans inclusive”.

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StickItInTheFamilyAlbum · 23/09/2024 21:55

MW thought the ET had “roots in the hostile environment that is being created for charities that are openly trans inclusive”.

Yes. Having successfully created and ruled a fiefdom, unopposed, in MW's contrived progressive world, why wouldn't MW continue to think that the ideology would survive contact with the real world? Especially with all the support MW had that verged on hagiography.

MaidOfAle · 23/09/2024 22:02

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 23/09/2024 21:41

MW thought the ET had “roots in the hostile environment that is being created for charities that are openly trans inclusive”.

They say: "hostile environment that is being created for charities that are openly trans inclusive".

I say: "insistence by women's rights campaigners that we have female-only services".

Tom-AH-to, tom-AY-to.

LoobiJee · 23/09/2024 22:09

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 23/09/2024 21:41

MW thought the ET had “roots in the hostile environment that is being created for charities that are openly trans inclusive”.

ERCC’s response to the tribunal findings continued their policy of gaslighting survivors.

Our services are and have always been open to all survivors irrespective of their beliefs. We are transparent and honest about how our services are delivered and who delivers them. We acknowledge openly that we have women and non-binary staff members and clearly communicate that we offer women-only spaces and times in our centre.”

No mention or acknowledgment that they have a biologically and legally male staff member, though.

Villagetoraiseachild · 23/09/2024 22:15

@MaidOfAle you are on 🔥 tonight. Brava!

LoobiJee · 23/09/2024 22:33

I wondered what Inspiring Scotland’s remit was in this. Seems they run the Delivering Equally Safe programme.

We are a venture philanthropy organisation. This means we apply venture capital principles – such as long-term investment and tailored development support – to the voluntary sector. In doing this, we aim to build a Scotland where everyone has the same opportunities to reach their potential and lead happy and healthy lives.“

Board of Directors

https://inspiringscotland.org.uk/team_type/director/

SLT

https://inspiringscotland.org.uk/team_type/senior-leadership/

Staff

https://inspiringscotland.org.uk/team_type/staff/

Funding Programmes

https://inspiringscotland.org.uk/what-we-do/our-funds/

Annual Report

https://inspiringscotland.org.uk//wp-content/uploads/2023/12/Annual-Report-2022-2023-final.pdf

morningtoncrescent62 · 23/09/2024 23:30

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 23/09/2024 21:40

These letters make interesting reading.

https://www.gov.scot/binaries/content/documents/govscot/publications/foi-eir-release/2024/07/foi-202400416898/documents/foi-202400416898---information-released---annex/foi-202400416898---information-released---annex/govscot%3Adocument/FOI%2B202400416898%2B-%2BInformation%2BReleased%2B-%2BAnnex.pdf

RCS and ERCC seemed confident they would win the ET from Roz.

They investigated MW's comments about firing those with GC beliefs and found nothing wrong. 🙈

Daniel Johnson MSP emerges well out of this correspondence - faithfully passing on his constituents' concerns in full, going back when he got a non-answer, and asking for funding to be stopped while an investigation took place. Good for him.