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Surely Mridul Wadhwa has to go now? Report into ERCC out.

736 replies

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 12/09/2024 12:12

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13842189/Edinburgh-Crisis-Centre-designed-protect-women-suffered-sexual-violence-condemned-failing-damning-report.html

Pretty scathing. Wadhwa cannot stay surely?

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Waitwhat23 · 22/09/2024 16:13

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 22/09/2024 15:58

Yet another round of emails sent off to my MSPs and MP. I used a new email address as I suspect some of them may have my old one blocked.

I've had no reply to my emails as yet.

RoyalCorgi · 22/09/2024 16:15

Absolutely superb response from JKR. I have never loved a public figure so much in my life.

ArabellaScott · 22/09/2024 16:21

RedToothBrush · 22/09/2024 11:02

Others in Holyrood have had second thoughts about gender ideology but they remain silent, either through fear of a backlash from angry and threatening activists or, as one MSP put it, because to admit they got this matter wrong would be to admit their stupidity and their cowardice.

Well that's interesting. There's a silent shift that's gone on. Even though they are too cowardly to say it (yet), something fundamental has changed. A newspaper is reporting off the record comments that wouldn't be being made even twelve months ago.

Meanwhile trust is ERCC will have gone for many many women. Would you use the service even now, with such a public display of unprofessional conduct and refusal to acknowledge that a man in charge absolutely was the core of the problem. He had a vested personal interest in making the service for men and forcing the compliance of women. A woman in charge, even if they are into gender woo or even a transman, doesn't have the same level of a conflict of personal interest.

You can see it as much in an absence of responses. A year or so ago all of this would have prompted furious lectures from MSPs on the bigoted, homophobic, probably racist women criticising Brindley, RCS, ERCC, Wadhwa.

Saw it also in the Scotgov discussion on Cass.

The trans activism mantras and catechisms and chants have got quieter and quieter; if there's a peep now it's coming from the most extreme extremists of the Greens.

Someone fling up some golden bridges and let the buggers start rewriting history.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 22/09/2024 16:27

as one MSP put it, because to admit they got this matter wrong would be to admit their stupidity and their cowardice.

your stupidity and cowardice is there for all to see whether you admit it or not

RedToothBrush · 22/09/2024 16:28

Oh dear oh dear.

This is dated 4th Dec 2020 and is on Rape Crisis Scotland's website:
https://www.rapecrisisscotland.org.uk/news/news/faculty-of-advocate-investigation-boys-club-accused-of-closing-ranks-to-protect-their-own/

Sandy Brindley, Chief Executive of Rape Crisis Scotland said:
“It’s hard to see this latest move by the Faculty as anything other than a boy’s club closing ranks to protect one of their own. Gordon Jackson’s behaviour in the aftermath of the Salmond trial was completely inappropriate and unprofessional. At the time he made these comments, he was the Dean of the Faculty of Advocates. It is unacceptable that over 8 months later he has still faced absolutely no sanction for recklessly and publicly naming two complainers, whose anonymity was protected by a court order, and talking about details of the case on public transport.

Gordon Jackson is a powerful public figure, he is a QC, the former Dean of the Faculty of Advocates and has a legal team representing him in this process. The ten women from the case have no legal representation, with representations being made by Rape Crisis Scotland. This feels like an imbalance that Jackson is using to his advantage to delay the process.

The Faculty of Advocates have a huge role to play in upholding law in Scotland but they are not above it. Like all of us, Jackson must be held accountable for his actions. You’d be forgiven for thinking that Jackson is being allowed to pull the strings in his own investigation, fobbing it off until he is able to retire in peace. This is unacceptable, and in our view undermines public confidence in the Faculty of Advocates."

Dear Sandy.

"It is hard to see this latest move by RCS as anything other than a TRA club closing ranks to protect its ongoing agaenda. Your behaviour over the last couple of years during Wadhwa's tenure was completely inappropriate and unprofessional.

At the time Wadhwa made comments in an interview about 'reframing trauma' and 'therapy is political' and that survivors were bigots, you were the Head of RCS. Yet you merely brushed over these comments because you were told they were 'taken out of context'. You then brought your partner to a meeting with survivors who wanted assurances over single sex provision, who hagued them and told them their request was illegal. They did not know who your partner was and were not consulted about their presence. This further retraumatised them. You did not address the issues over Wadhwa's misconduct and workplace bullying and harassment and continued to support Wadhwa's position after the tribunal. It wasn't until five months later when the report into ERCC came out that Wadhwa resigned without any comment from yourself prior to this since the conclusion of the employeement tribunal.

You have subsequently gone on record saying you have no roll in the appointment of Wadhwa and no influence over whether they should stay in the job, despite the 'misquoted' above mentioned interview which did significant damage to the reputation of ERCC and actual harm to survivors which is detailed in your own report. You did not stay - you continue to be vocal in your support for Wadhwa after this interview.

You have subsequently gone on record that you were not aware of issues relating to single sex provision until October last year. This is despite the meeting with survivors being documented. A letter concerning this is in the Scottish Parliament Archives. It predates October last year by some considerable time. Indeed long enough for Joanne to set up an alternative single sex service to provide provision for those women you have failed.

As pressure has grown, and calls for your resignation have been made, women you have an inappropriately close relationship with emailed a newspaper to defend you. When questions were raised about this, you accused others of weaponising survivors. You then offered a journalist the telephone numbers of survivors to prove they were telling the truth. Just why did you have those telephone numbers? You now decide it is appropriate to go on record, saying that you are a victim of an unfair witchhunt led by Joanne and that you have been distressed by this.

You are a powerful public figure with influential friends within the Scottish Government. The women who you have let down have no voice. Joanne has had to set up because you, the person who was supposed to be their champion, failed them on multiple occasions. You used your position to silence them in a meeting. This feels like an imbalance of power that you used to promote the agenda of trans activists above and before the women you were duty bound to help.

Rape Crisis Scotland has a huge role to play in protecting and supporting women. You decided this was not your responsibility. Like all of us, you must be held accountable for his actions. You’d be forgiven for thinking that you are being allowed to pull the strings in your own public accountability, fobbing it off until you are able to retire in peace. This is unacceptable, and in our view undermines public confidence in Rape Crisis Scotland.

Your momentual level of hypocrisy and continued abdication of responsibility is purely corrupt and rottent to the core. I hope you read your own words and some one in the scottish parliament gets the balls to call you out on it forcing you out on your ear without a nice fat payout".

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 22/09/2024 16:28

if there's a peep now it's coming from the most extreme extremists of the Greens

Even Patrick Harvie has been very quiet on gender nonsense for a good while. They can see the writing on the wall.

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lcakethereforeIam · 22/09/2024 16:36

Talking of peeps the newspaper claims it's been trying, in vain, to get a response from Maggie Personpeeps about this.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/09/2024 16:37

https://x.com/hightreebud/status/1837820599697072343?s=46&t=SPorwN-mokktL467rcZ57g

Brilliant, fairly long thread on Twitter, highlighting the reality lie of "women only" rape crisis services in Scotland. All the receipts.

RedToothBrush · 22/09/2024 16:39

Receipts

https://x.com/hightreebud/status/1837820599697072343

Trina AT hightreebud
Here's what Sandy Brindley says. GUARANTEED women-only spaces in EVERY rape crisis centre in Scotland. Reiterated in the Times today: "one thing that has remained core is protecting spaces for women. It has never changed and it never should". So let's have a look see... 1/n

Argyll & Bute Rape Crisis Centre. “We offer support to survivors who are over the age of 12, regardless of their gender.” Nothing about women-only spaces but they have a dedicated LGBTI page and a charter award from LGBT Youth Scotland "making sure we are inclusive". 2/n

As part of the charter award LGBTYS use their "Stronger Together: Guidance for women's services on the inclusion of trans women". 3/n

This guidance misrepresents the law and advises rape crisis centres that it is not acceptable to exclude TW from a women's service. If any woman objects it is her who should be removed and educated in the same way as a racist or homophobe.
More here: https://murrayblackburnmackenzie.org/2019/02/22/the-case-for-due-diligence-assessing-and-owning-policy-and-practice/ 4/n

Rape Crisis Scotland removed the guidance from their website in 2019 after the section on re-educating women was highlighted on Twitter. They claimed to be "not aware" of it despite Wadhwa, then employed at Forth Valley RC, busy promoting its message. 5/n

So the guidance is now back in rape crisis centres via the back door, with centres paying LGBTYS £2,000 a pop for the charter privilege. And just to rub salt in it, LGBTYS also took £100k from the Scottish Gov Equally Safe fund for women to sell it back to the VAWG sector. 6/n

It beggars believe Sandy Brindley is still claiming to be shocked that Edinburgh RCC failed to provide a protected women-only service and should not have hired Wadhwa without a GRC, esp when RCS itself signed up for doing just that since 2016! 7/n

Dumfries & Galloway RASAC doesn't seem to have a website. Edinburgh RCC has learnt little from its tribunal loss and the Ling report, offering a paltry few hours for women, which may include men according to the word salad explanation. And a gold charter award, of course. 8/n

Fife RASAC "support services to anyone 12+, of any gender". Nothing about women-only, not even on the group support page. Does have a dedicated "LGBTQIA+ survivors" page. Forth Valley RCC, "survivors of all genders over 13". Nothing about women-only spaces. 9/n

Glasgow & Clyde RCC Women and girls only. Wonderfully robust statement: "We are an organisation that is rooted in feminist values...This prioritises the provision and safeguarding of single-sex service spaces..." 10/n

Lanarkshire RCC "support to women and girls (12ys+)". Nothing about women-only spaces but does have a dedicated inclusive services web page for LGBTI+ Moray RC "support for anyone (age 11 and over)". Groups are for all adults, so are mixed-sex. LGBT charter award holder. 11/n

Orkney RSAS "support for anyone (age 13 and over)". LGBT inclusion matters so much it is all they can display at their premises. Not sure this is welcoming to any woman looking for a women-only service. 12/n

RASAC Perth & Kinross "support anyone who identifies as a woman and young people (aged 12-18)". No actual women-only spaces here then. Another holder of a charter award from LGBTYS. 13/n

RASAS Highland "support all genders – women, men, non-binary, trans & gender non-conforming." Nothing about women-only services, but helping uphold their LGBT charter is a transwoman on the Board. Despite the job advert seeking a woman. 14/n

RC Grampian "support & information to anyone over 11 years old". Any assurances given to Sandy Brindley of protected women-only spaces in reality include men. Quelle surprise for the centre that was flying the trans flag in response to the tribunal result. 15/n

Scottish Borders RCC are "inclusive to self-identifying females". The only "reassurance" here is that they will work with LGBT people to reduce any barriers (women's voices?) to their inclusion. 16/n

Compass Centre, Shetland "Whatever your gender, you are welcome here." Nothing about women-only spaces and the only reassurance here is reserved for transwomen and their inclusion. LGBTYS charter award holder. 17/n

STAR Centre, Ayrshire "anyone aged 13+ (women, girls, men, boys and those who identify as transgender or non-binary)". Men are welcome to self-identify into the few hours of women-only spaces. Has two LGBT charter marks with a warning on pronoun use. 18/n

Western Isles RCC, "anyone, of any gender, over the age of 13". But no LGBTYS charter award and no mention of LGBT on the website, so group work may actually be women-only. 19/n

Women's RASAC, Dundee & Angus. Despite having "women" in the centre's name, don't get too hopeful as it's for "self-identifying women". TW specifically included and they're working towards a silver charter from LGBTYS. 20/n

17 rape crisis centres. One explicitly for women-only (Glasgow & Clyde) and one possibly offering women-only spaces within a mixed-sex service (Western Isles). The majority explicitly state they work on the basis of self-ID, which is not law in Scotland. 21/n

This is the law, as ruled by recent judicial reviews. The section in red is under appeal to the UK Supreme Court. By definition, in the Equality Act, women's spaces exclude biological males. Those without a GRC are the sex they were born as. 22/n

Yet when the CEO of Rape Crisis Scotland talks of "woman" she displays her ignorance of the law & gives an offensive penis-including definition of who she welcomes into female rape survivors' spaces. It has taken her 11 months to come up with this! 23/n

This is the fundamental problem we are facing with women's services. Most have long been co-opted to include all men, not just TW. 24/n

The whole sector needs a reset starting with sacking Brindley and addressing what women, who are 94% of rape victims, actually want. Which is separate-sex services, as recommended by the Scottish Gov review, & which Brindley has ignored since June 2023. 25/n

The Scottish Gov should also consider implementing the SNP 2021 manifesto commitment to fund a separate complementary service for men. 26/26

Twitter thread is fully evidenced throughout with those all important screenshots (we know how much screenshots are valued to hold power to account within ethical principles and all that).

Sandy 'I didn't know' Brindley is a liar.

Surely Mridul Wadhwa has to go now? Report into ERCC out.
Surely Mridul Wadhwa has to go now? Report into ERCC out.
RedToothBrush · 22/09/2024 16:40

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/09/2024 16:37

https://x.com/hightreebud/status/1837820599697072343?s=46&t=SPorwN-mokktL467rcZ57g

Brilliant, fairly long thread on Twitter, highlighting the reality lie of "women only" rape crisis services in Scotland. All the receipts.

x post

Too busy c + p the whole thing!

ArabellaScott · 22/09/2024 16:43

Thanks, Red.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/09/2024 16:46

Well done Red Wine

RedToothBrush · 22/09/2024 16:59

Ah found a link to the Times Article which works (other one on the thread didn't work for me)
<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20240922021120/www.thetimes.com/uk/scotland/article/jk-rowling-wants-me-fired-i-just-want-to-help-survivors-of-rape-g2thm7hnr" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://web.archive.org/web/20240922021120/www.thetimes.com/uk/scotland/article/jk-rowling-wants-me-fired-i-just-want-to-help-survivors-of-rape-g2thm7hnr

The quote mentioned above about eyes twinkling WAS the one published in the times.

Her job, as head of a national body with 17 member centres, means she works with survivors, “making a change for the better in the world”. It is, she says, “wonderful in so many ways” but the flipside is the “real vulnerability” that comes from her public position.

“I feel like this is where I am just now, that space of complete vulnerability,” Brindley says. “It’s not something that I can do long term. I can acknowledge the personal cost: it impacts my daughter, it impacts my family.”

Jeez. Just how tone deaf. When you go after JKR saying that...

She is at pains to stress that she will not be leaving her post because of the furore surrounding Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre, where Mridul Wadhwa, a trans woman and activist, quit this month amid allegations that she harassed staff with gender-critical views. A review found that the chief executive had not grasped “the limits on her role’s authority”.

For Brindley, this goes back much further. Over years there has been a “constant sense you’re under really severe scrutiny,” she says. “Of course I should be under scrutiny because of my job, but this feels very personal, like a visceral hatred of me for doing my job.”

But you didn't do your job. Thats the problem.

As Brindley stated on air, ERCC’s board is autonomous and she had no hand in Wadhwa’s appointment, but her response was summarised in one newspaper headline as “Charity boss says tribunal judgment no bar to men working in rape crisis centres” .

Brindley is still bristling. “I literally did not say that, but an hour later Martina Navratilova was tweeting, “Sandy Brindley — what’s wrong with you?”

Cos you've 100% read and understood JKR position and the position of survivors. Yep ok.

The substance of the newspaper article was unfair, Brindley says. Moreover, she claims that Rowling’s points about a previous meeting between RCS and a group of survivors were “demonstrably false”. (A description of the 2019 meeting raised by Rowling is contested by Brindley, who says the survivors’ own account lodged in the Scottish parliament contradicts the author’s interpretation.)

Hmm. And those reciepts above???

“Truth doesn’t matter, even if you can prove this is false,” Brindley says. “What recourse do I have? I’m a single parent that works for a charity. JK Rowling’s a billionaire. I have no recourse, so truth doesn’t matter.”

Oh you are SOOOOO close. Lying to service users about the truth about sex... As for JKR pockets, what about all the survivors you were supposed to look after but didn't so JKR did instead. Yes out of her own pocket, rather than spunking taxpayers money up the wall on diversity which led to harms and self exclusion.

She has always supported women-only spaces, she says, and is appalled that for 16 months until last October, ERCC operated without them.

Oh do fuck off. Reciepts.

Brindley barely draws breath. One of the recommendations of the report into ERCC asks Rape Crisis Scotland to “facilitate a shared definition of woman”, and that will happen, she says.

To that, Brindley adds a “personal definition”. She is an “intersectional feminist” meaning there are overlaps between different groups of women. For example, she says, “You can be a woman and you can be black and those intersections can lead to greater discrimination — you can both experience sexism and racism.

So under your tenure you intend to continue to fuck over women wanting single sex spaces, with word salad. And by using racist tropes.

“I recognise that trans women are women, but I also recognise that there are circumstances where biology matters. I believe with good faith and nuance, we can navigate that without causing harm to anyone.

Trouble is, no one actually believes you are acting in good faith. Cos you keep sodding lying.

I wish I hadn't actually read that. Its even worse than I thought.

No wonder JKR has steam coming out her ears.

‘JK Rowling wants me fired. I just want to help rape survivors’

Sandy Brindley, chief executive of Rape Crisis Scotland, says the online vitriol and public attacks she has faced mean she’s likely to stand down within a year

https://web.archive.org/web/20240922021120/https://www.thetimes.com/uk/scotland/article/jk-rowling-wants-me-fired-i-just-want-to-help-survivors-of-rape-g2thm7hnr

Seriestwo · 22/09/2024 18:04

I RTd this, it’s not just JKR who thinks #sandybrindleymustgo - and I hope she doesn’t appear at engender in 6 month's time too.

x.com/gussiegrips/status/1837805762061451313?s=46

x.com

https://x.com/gussiegrips/status/1837805762061451313?s=46

WarriorN · 22/09/2024 18:18

Some more JK tweets replying to others in that thread:

Surely Mridul Wadhwa has to go now? Report into ERCC out.
Surely Mridul Wadhwa has to go now? Report into ERCC out.
Surely Mridul Wadhwa has to go now? Report into ERCC out.
WarriorN · 22/09/2024 18:22

Oops chopped too much of this one

Surely Mridul Wadhwa has to go now? Report into ERCC out.
StickItInTheFamilyAlbum · 22/09/2024 18:23

WarriorN · 22/09/2024 18:18

Some more JK tweets replying to others in that thread:

I'd not seen that Dworkin quotation before. It's horribly apt and familiar in so many settings.

WarriorN · 22/09/2024 18:25

RedToothBrush · 22/09/2024 16:59

Ah found a link to the Times Article which works (other one on the thread didn't work for me)
<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20240922021120/www.thetimes.com/uk/scotland/article/jk-rowling-wants-me-fired-i-just-want-to-help-survivors-of-rape-g2thm7hnr" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://web.archive.org/web/20240922021120/www.thetimes.com/uk/scotland/article/jk-rowling-wants-me-fired-i-just-want-to-help-survivors-of-rape-g2thm7hnr

The quote mentioned above about eyes twinkling WAS the one published in the times.

Her job, as head of a national body with 17 member centres, means she works with survivors, “making a change for the better in the world”. It is, she says, “wonderful in so many ways” but the flipside is the “real vulnerability” that comes from her public position.

“I feel like this is where I am just now, that space of complete vulnerability,” Brindley says. “It’s not something that I can do long term. I can acknowledge the personal cost: it impacts my daughter, it impacts my family.”

Jeez. Just how tone deaf. When you go after JKR saying that...

She is at pains to stress that she will not be leaving her post because of the furore surrounding Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre, where Mridul Wadhwa, a trans woman and activist, quit this month amid allegations that she harassed staff with gender-critical views. A review found that the chief executive had not grasped “the limits on her role’s authority”.

For Brindley, this goes back much further. Over years there has been a “constant sense you’re under really severe scrutiny,” she says. “Of course I should be under scrutiny because of my job, but this feels very personal, like a visceral hatred of me for doing my job.”

But you didn't do your job. Thats the problem.

As Brindley stated on air, ERCC’s board is autonomous and she had no hand in Wadhwa’s appointment, but her response was summarised in one newspaper headline as “Charity boss says tribunal judgment no bar to men working in rape crisis centres” .

Brindley is still bristling. “I literally did not say that, but an hour later Martina Navratilova was tweeting, “Sandy Brindley — what’s wrong with you?”

Cos you've 100% read and understood JKR position and the position of survivors. Yep ok.

The substance of the newspaper article was unfair, Brindley says. Moreover, she claims that Rowling’s points about a previous meeting between RCS and a group of survivors were “demonstrably false”. (A description of the 2019 meeting raised by Rowling is contested by Brindley, who says the survivors’ own account lodged in the Scottish parliament contradicts the author’s interpretation.)

Hmm. And those reciepts above???

“Truth doesn’t matter, even if you can prove this is false,” Brindley says. “What recourse do I have? I’m a single parent that works for a charity. JK Rowling’s a billionaire. I have no recourse, so truth doesn’t matter.”

Oh you are SOOOOO close. Lying to service users about the truth about sex... As for JKR pockets, what about all the survivors you were supposed to look after but didn't so JKR did instead. Yes out of her own pocket, rather than spunking taxpayers money up the wall on diversity which led to harms and self exclusion.

She has always supported women-only spaces, she says, and is appalled that for 16 months until last October, ERCC operated without them.

Oh do fuck off. Reciepts.

Brindley barely draws breath. One of the recommendations of the report into ERCC asks Rape Crisis Scotland to “facilitate a shared definition of woman”, and that will happen, she says.

To that, Brindley adds a “personal definition”. She is an “intersectional feminist” meaning there are overlaps between different groups of women. For example, she says, “You can be a woman and you can be black and those intersections can lead to greater discrimination — you can both experience sexism and racism.

So under your tenure you intend to continue to fuck over women wanting single sex spaces, with word salad. And by using racist tropes.

“I recognise that trans women are women, but I also recognise that there are circumstances where biology matters. I believe with good faith and nuance, we can navigate that without causing harm to anyone.

Trouble is, no one actually believes you are acting in good faith. Cos you keep sodding lying.

I wish I hadn't actually read that. Its even worse than I thought.

No wonder JKR has steam coming out her ears.

Thank for this! 🌟

Fkn ell fire .

lcakethereforeIam · 22/09/2024 18:38

Were they allowing comments on that article and, if they were, was anyone buying it?

WarriorN · 22/09/2024 18:38

More from Jk

Surely Mridul Wadhwa has to go now? Report into ERCC out.
Surely Mridul Wadhwa has to go now? Report into ERCC out.
MotherOfABoobAddict · 22/09/2024 18:41

lcakethereforeIam · 22/09/2024 14:54

It is quoting the article but I don't believe she actually said the 'me or JKR' line. I think it was a passing fancy or something that came to her later.

The whole anecdote though was a whole look at how JKR hurts her young fans.

Millennials in America aren't young and they really ought to have learned by now that they don't own JK Rowling just because they (along with hundreds of millions of others) have bought her books.

JK Rowling's actual young fans are largely oblivious to the trans drama.

As for Brindley, even thinking "it's me or her" is utterly unhinged.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 22/09/2024 18:49

lcakethereforeIam · 22/09/2024 18:38

Were they allowing comments on that article and, if they were, was anyone buying it?

Edited

The comments were universally horrified at the interview with Brindley. Readers on the Times have had years of sunlight from an array of good journalists who have exposed the corruption and toxicity of trans extremism. Add to that numerous educated and informed women commentators and the understanding that women are entitled to and need single sex spaces seems to be fully accepted on there.

WarriorN · 22/09/2024 18:53

Sandy clearly rarely reads the times....

RedToothBrush · 22/09/2024 19:20

WarriorN · 22/09/2024 18:53

Sandy clearly rarely reads the times....

You are being charitable. Sandy clearly hasn't ever read a newspaper...

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 22/09/2024 19:24

“I recognise that trans women are women, but I also recognise that there are circumstances where biology matters."

And she fails to recognise the contradiction between those two statements. As Helen Joyce pointed out this is like saying 1 = 0, except for circumstances when it doesn't. And from this contradiction everything else goes to shit.

"I believe with good faith and nuance, we can navigate that without causing harm to anyone."

A belief unsupported by any evidence at all. Given the harm that's already been caused at ERCC and elsewhere.

I'm pointlessly fulminating but I'm so angry! What became of "sorry, I screwed up"?