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Surely Mridul Wadhwa has to go now? Report into ERCC out.

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GargoylesofBeelzebub · 12/09/2024 12:12

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13842189/Edinburgh-Crisis-Centre-designed-protect-women-suffered-sexual-violence-condemned-failing-damning-report.html

Pretty scathing. Wadhwa cannot stay surely?

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Datun · 16/09/2024 08:39

Plus, I was convinced that the rape survivors who contacted the paper, were probably just mates of Brindley and not rape survivors at all. Who was going to be able to check, after all?

But she's fucked either way. Either she's got an inappropriate relationship with and leverage over vulnerable women, or she's being deceitful.

Helleofabore · 16/09/2024 08:42

I posted this on another thread. I am only just catching up with all this and it is hugely concerning. The horror of Wadhwa’s appointment seems to be spreading to Brindley’s wider behaviour too.

Even if Brindley didn’t rally a survivor’s group to contact media, it seems as if that group is overly heavily invested in Brindley’s personal defence and are or have become activists. A rape survivor support group ? Becoming activist? Or feeling they should? There must be now so many questions about Brindley’s professional conduct.

Even the very basic point here that users of RCS and other services feel so unsafe with the prospect of removal of Brindley shows there is something amiss. A service such as this, should be so robust that one or two people leaving should make little negative impact. There should be absolute confidence that high quality support service should be expected. I am speaking of RCS by the way. Wadhwa as CEO would certainly have impact and quickly on the service delivery because Wadhwa was directly responsible for how ERCC provided service etc.

If that quality service, for this type of specific service, has been tied to personalities, ie not the service group this has to be investigated. There should be no room for personality politics in rape crisis support. And yet, these emails to media are massive red flags. Were these people wanting Brindley out?

There really seems to be a great deal to investigate. That survivor meeting where Brindley included her partner was a very concerning read.

Lalgarh · 16/09/2024 08:51

ArabellaScott · 16/09/2024 07:05

Several women spoke up in defence of SB on X in the past few days.

All to say they'd heard that there was going to be an article written on Brindley in the wake of the RCS issues, and had then emailed.the journalist to support.

None of them would respond to answer how they'd heard.

The only logical explanation is that Brindley told them.

If so, then Brindley has used these women, who are all survivors. This is not how you put the survivors first.

I hope all.of these women have access to good support that is not connected to RCS. They've all been treated very poorly.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/rape-crisis-scotland-boss-unaware-33670476

"Within half an hour, the Sunday Mail had received multiple emails from survivors backing Brindley..."

Rape Crisis Scotland boss unaware of calls to quit over support service scandal

Chief executive Sandy Brindley broke her silence on the scandal surrounding Mridul Wadhwa, who resigned from the Edinburgh centre after a damning report last week.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/rape-crisis-scotland-boss-unaware-33670476

Anastomosisrex · 16/09/2024 08:57

RedToothBrush · 16/09/2024 01:04

I'm glad you said it like this because I thought I was misreading this.

The head of a rape charity, who has a partner who works at Edinburgh Uni.

There was a conference about discussing and tackling the huge rates of sexual abuse occurring on all Edinburgh Uni Campuses. On the panel was this partner.

Despite the nature of the issue and this conference's stated aim this woman however lectures to Edinburgh Uni students and writes papers about how some of these sexual assaults shouldn't be criminalised and are unfair.

The also turns up at a meeting to discuss problems with self ID and wanting single sex services unannounced and massively inappropriately because her girlfriend who is the head of RCS is hugely unprofessional.

At this meeting the survivors are belittled and lectured. This woman had absolutely no business to be at this meeting other than nepotism. She sort to use the meeting to crush any possible questions and to make it clear that RCS would not support them. Despite the fact she's fuck all to do with RCS.

This lecturer also expects students to take a 'progressive in their interpretation' of the law or 'she isn't interested' rather than reflective of the actual law. This sounds like she's holding students hostage here. If they don't right what she likes they risk losing marks. So best agree with her and stroke her ego.

This woman actively campaigns against the interests of raped women in terms of weakening the law on their side and she actively campaigns to remove single sex services.

Yet she has access to these survivors. Sandy Brindley has mixed her personal interests with professional and has a massive conflict of interest and is allowing her partner wholly inappropriate access to vulnerable women without their prior consent.

The report into ERCC comes out and it's damning any it asked big questions about why, despite a huge amount of red flags and incompetence, was a male who openly was saying 'therapy is political' and using the service to further Transactivism rather than centre survivors needs. Why was he appointed and why when it became clear he was both incompetent and acting unlawfully was he not removed by those who had the power to do so.

Keep in mind Wadhwa has publicly said he's counselled survivors despite it being apparent he has absolutely no experience, training or qualifications to do so. Which begs the question why did he have this type of access.

Brindley then publicly denies all knowledge of concerns about single sex services pretending this meeting never happened, to dig herself out of a hole. Well she might because if she admits it did then she admits to gross misconduct in her role by allowing her partner to be there.

Then a bunch of apparent service users who seem to have somewhat inappropriate and overly personal relationships with the head of RCS pop up to tell the media how wonderful she is, how she should keep her job and how everything is perfectly ok and everyone is happy. Without regard to issues over boundaries and consent of others.

Throughout this story we have a pattern of people overstepping their roles, domineering, abusing their positions, having access to individuals who are particularly vulnerable women at one of the worst times of their life. All seem to be using their connections and access to further their political and ideological aims without regard to the women they are supposed to be helping and serving.

I swear, just when you think it can't get worse, it ramps up yet another level.

This lecturer literally does everything she can to silence victims and make out they shouldn't be believed and that their trauma over their experiences with males should just be ignored and they should suck up her ideology.

She's on a complete and utter power trip and she's enabled by the very person who is supposed to be most on the side of rape victims.

This is exploitation. This is just mind-blowing in just how many totally unethical it is and how many professional standards have been broken.

Wadhwa appointment starts to make perfect sense. It was never about helping raped women. It was about using them and abusing them. By design. The epitomy of gaslighting.

This lot should be sacked immediately and there being some serious conversations about whether laws have been broken here (there are legal duties within responsibilities for charities to protect vulnerable person if nothing else).

Too good not to be repeated in full.

Laid out like this, it's absolutely horrifying.

RedToothBrush · 16/09/2024 09:51

Datun · 16/09/2024 08:39

Plus, I was convinced that the rape survivors who contacted the paper, were probably just mates of Brindley and not rape survivors at all. Who was going to be able to check, after all?

But she's fucked either way. Either she's got an inappropriate relationship with and leverage over vulnerable women, or she's being deceitful.

That's what I think. Mates or activists. Who were probably asked to do so. And no one CAN check if they are rape survivors not if they have accessed services because of GDPR and confidentiality.

Which is precisely why they won't say where they heard about things.

Total set up.

I'm not fancying chances of getting rid though. Look how long Wadhwa clung on for.

There's no accountability and no shame.

CocoapuffPuff · 16/09/2024 09:57

Why are some women so fucking desperate to destroy women-only services?
I don't get it. Help me understand what the fuck is wrong with them. Are they mentally ill too? These 2 are lesbians. They're meant to love women, be on women's side. Why are they actively destroying the systems intended to support traumatised and damaged women? What am I missing? I must be missing a connection somewhere, I cannot for the life of me join the dots. Is Sharon really a woman, or is she/he a tw? That would make sense, in a grotesque way. Them both being female just doesn't.

GailBlancheViola · 16/09/2024 10:14

CocoapuffPuff · 16/09/2024 09:57

Why are some women so fucking desperate to destroy women-only services?
I don't get it. Help me understand what the fuck is wrong with them. Are they mentally ill too? These 2 are lesbians. They're meant to love women, be on women's side. Why are they actively destroying the systems intended to support traumatised and damaged women? What am I missing? I must be missing a connection somewhere, I cannot for the life of me join the dots. Is Sharon really a woman, or is she/he a tw? That would make sense, in a grotesque way. Them both being female just doesn't.

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I don't get it either, can't understand it, what are they gaining from it?

There is a special place in hell for all the women who have set out to destroy women's rights and spaces and have promoted and enabled this misogynistic, homophobic ideology.

maltravers · 16/09/2024 10:20

I think some people just love power over others, while experiencing the thrill of “progressive” righteousness - it’s all very Red Guard, so part of human nature I suppose. The writings of the academic referred to in the thread suggests she enjoys wielding power over her students (wrongthink according to me = poor marks) anyway.

maltravers · 16/09/2024 10:25

My mistake, it was Twitter reports of what she is supposed to have told her students about marks.

lechiffre55 · 16/09/2024 10:40

CocoapuffPuff · 16/09/2024 09:57

Why are some women so fucking desperate to destroy women-only services?
I don't get it. Help me understand what the fuck is wrong with them. Are they mentally ill too? These 2 are lesbians. They're meant to love women, be on women's side. Why are they actively destroying the systems intended to support traumatised and damaged women? What am I missing? I must be missing a connection somewhere, I cannot for the life of me join the dots. Is Sharon really a woman, or is she/he a tw? That would make sense, in a grotesque way. Them both being female just doesn't.

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I think it's about power. Having power over other people is a fairly stong emotional feeling, couple that with a large dollop of self-righteousness and the world's your oyster to do with and treat as you please. Some one disagrees with your beliefs? You other them, they are stupid and lesser, they need to be taught how to think correctly.
Once you've decided someone is lesser then all sorts of behaviour that normally would be considered unconcionable becomes both aceptable and even necessary to correct the lesser person. See "untermensch".
If you're in power over an organisation there's literally no one to challenge your superiority. Even the slightest question of the only acceptable worldview must be stamped down on hard. See Roz Adams tribunal.

I would hope if I ever worked in a place like ERCC that my driving goal would be to help the women who need the help of ERCC, but that's clearly not the priority of the recent ERCC. It does boggle my mind how heartless ERCC has treated women who've asked for single sex support. Just trying to understand the mindset of someone who's internal thought process goes something like "ok yeah you've been raped multiple times in your own home, big deal, but your request for single sex support is a really problematic and we are going to force you to "re-frame your trauma" and make you a better person than the snivelling shit you clearly are" blows my mind. How is it even possible to have a position of power at an organisation whose sole purpose is to help vulnerable women, and not give two fucks about them, to feel distain for them? The lack of compassion or human dignity towards the very people you are there to help who have already been through their own person hell is appaling. I would imagine that words like narcissist and sociopath would be required to explain the behaviour properly. I think the people who coined the word untermensch would find that mindset much easier to understand and accept.

Going back to the power, I'd like to point out places like ERCC are places of last resort, the importance of that being if the ERCC is also treating you abusively there literally is nowhere else to turn to. You're at you very lowest, the whole world is nothing but pain, you turn to the rape crisis centre for help, and they start giving a bollocking because you asked for single sex support. Can you imagine what it must feel like for a person in the most painful mental space to be told how awful they are by the organisation supposed to be helping them? The self worth taking another battering from the people meant to help, "maybe it's me after all?" How can a person do that to another person in such need, and think they are the good guy? How is that a safe space? Idiots drunk on power has bloody awful consequences. The sooner this festering atrocity ends the better. Brindley must go to stop others being harmed.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/09/2024 10:41

Going back to the power, I'd like to point out places like ERCC are places of last resort, the importance of that being if the ERCC is also treating you abusively there literally is nowhere else to turn to. You're at you very lowest, the whole world is nothing but pain, you turn to the rape crisis centre for help, and they start giving a bollocking because you asked for single sex support. Can you imagine what it must feel like for a person in the most painful mental space to be told how awful they are by the organisation supposed to be helping them? The self worth taking another battering from the people meant to help, "maybe it's me after all?" How can a person do that to another person in such need, and think they are the good guy? How is that a safe space?

This.

GailBlancheViola · 16/09/2024 11:27

Going back to the power, I'd like to point out places like ERCC are places of last resort, the importance of that being if the ERCC is also treating you abusively there literally is nowhere else to turn to. You're at you very lowest, the whole world is nothing but pain, you turn to the rape crisis centre for help, and they start giving a bollocking because you asked for single sex support. Can you imagine what it must feel like for a person in the most painful mental space to be told how awful they are by the organisation supposed to be helping them? The self worth taking another battering from the people meant to help, "maybe it's me after all?" How can a person do that to another person in such need, and think they are the good guy? How is that a safe space? Idiots drunk on power has bloody awful consequences. The sooner this festering atrocity ends the better. Brindley must go to stop others being harmed.

There are just no words to adequately express the sheer horror of this. It is beyond cruel.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/09/2024 11:35

This is what I was feeling for women, as a rape survivor myself, watching the tribunal remotely, and seeing all MW's silly handmaidens come and defend that cruelty, it was despair-inducing to watch.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/09/2024 11:38

The only satisfaction was watching Naomi Cunningham in action completely showing up their incompetence and lack of care for women.

ArabellaScott · 16/09/2024 11:41

https://www.scottishparliament.tv/meeting/equalities-human-rights-and-civil-justice-committee-june-14-2022

Sharon Cowan, Brindley's partner, gave evidence during the GRR Bill consultation.

Unfortunately the page that gives the minutes isn't working, but the video is still up.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee | Scottish Parliament TV

https://www.scottishparliament.tv/meeting/equalities-human-rights-and-civil-justice-committee-june-14-2022

ArabellaScott · 16/09/2024 11:44

Here's a paper on 'a feminist and queer critique of recent ‘fraudulent sexual consent’ cases, arguing that the application of criminal law here signals a failure to acknowledge the stigmatization and social exclusion of already structurally disadvantaged defendants'

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3429592

'current criminalisation practices regarding fraudulent sexual consent threaten to condone and enable discrimination against HIV+ and trans people'

The Heart of the Matter: Criminalising Fraudulent Consent to Sex

This article offers a feminist and queer critique of recent ‘fraudulent sexual consent’ cases, arguing that the application of criminal law here signals a failu

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3429592

lechiffre55 · 16/09/2024 11:46

I want to ask another question. The "spontaneous" emails from former users of ERCC to The Sunday Mail defending Brindley.

My question is how do those service users even know who Brindley is?
The very last question on the mind of someone who's in need of ERCC services is going to be "I wonder who in the public sector is responsible for hiring the manager of this place?"
If you're showing up at the ERCC you've got more urgent things on your mind.
So how are these users even knowing who Brindley is? She doesn't work there. They won't have any contact with her like they would have Wadhwa who actually worked at the site.
Is there anyone on this forum who knows who the comissioning management are over the head of any public facing service they interact with face to face? It seems absurd on the surface.
How do these ERCC users who "spontaneously" emailed The Sunday Mail defending Brindley even know who Brindley is?
I can understand someone defending the ERCC if they thought they were well treated, but defending outside upper mangement? That seems a very long stretch.

GailBlancheViola · 16/09/2024 11:46

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/09/2024 11:35

This is what I was feeling for women, as a rape survivor myself, watching the tribunal remotely, and seeing all MW's silly handmaidens come and defend that cruelty, it was despair-inducing to watch.

I can imagine Eresh, just horrendous.

GailBlancheViola · 16/09/2024 11:50

There is a strong, unpleasant odour emanating from that lechiffre55

Only conclusion I can draw is that Brindley spoke to Cowan and troops were rallied.

RedToothBrush · 16/09/2024 12:06

At the heart of this is corruption.

Its fascinating to see the relationship here between all the individuals concerned and political parties. This is a mates club with them all covering each others arses and not upholding their statutory duties.

This is the authoritarian left in power - the cause is the only thing that matters and humanity gets forgotten along the way.

I have no problem with the left. What I have a problem with is a closed club of unaccountable people who have got drunk on power and are turning a blind eye, giving inappropriate access to friends and family to both vulnerable individuals and people in power and then engaging on smear campaign and cover up to cover their own arses.

The Scottish Government are on the brink of getting chucked out in an election.

My suspicion is that, at that point, some rather dirty laundry will start to stink even more than it already does.

It will be a very useful tool for the incoming Labour Party when the time comes.

ArabellaScott · 16/09/2024 12:06

lechiffre55 · 16/09/2024 11:46

I want to ask another question. The "spontaneous" emails from former users of ERCC to The Sunday Mail defending Brindley.

My question is how do those service users even know who Brindley is?
The very last question on the mind of someone who's in need of ERCC services is going to be "I wonder who in the public sector is responsible for hiring the manager of this place?"
If you're showing up at the ERCC you've got more urgent things on your mind.
So how are these users even knowing who Brindley is? She doesn't work there. They won't have any contact with her like they would have Wadhwa who actually worked at the site.
Is there anyone on this forum who knows who the comissioning management are over the head of any public facing service they interact with face to face? It seems absurd on the surface.
How do these ERCC users who "spontaneously" emailed The Sunday Mail defending Brindley even know who Brindley is?
I can understand someone defending the ERCC if they thought they were well treated, but defending outside upper mangement? That seems a very long stretch.

One of the former users says she works/worked 'with' Brindley for several years. It's not clear whether this means that she was accessing services or employed by SB.

RedToothBrush · 16/09/2024 12:07

ArabellaScott · 16/09/2024 12:06

One of the former users says she works/worked 'with' Brindley for several years. It's not clear whether this means that she was accessing services or employed by SB.

Well there's a sinking ship. If you want to stay onboard...

CocoapuffPuff · 16/09/2024 12:09

lechiffre55 · 16/09/2024 10:40

I think it's about power. Having power over other people is a fairly stong emotional feeling, couple that with a large dollop of self-righteousness and the world's your oyster to do with and treat as you please. Some one disagrees with your beliefs? You other them, they are stupid and lesser, they need to be taught how to think correctly.
Once you've decided someone is lesser then all sorts of behaviour that normally would be considered unconcionable becomes both aceptable and even necessary to correct the lesser person. See "untermensch".
If you're in power over an organisation there's literally no one to challenge your superiority. Even the slightest question of the only acceptable worldview must be stamped down on hard. See Roz Adams tribunal.

I would hope if I ever worked in a place like ERCC that my driving goal would be to help the women who need the help of ERCC, but that's clearly not the priority of the recent ERCC. It does boggle my mind how heartless ERCC has treated women who've asked for single sex support. Just trying to understand the mindset of someone who's internal thought process goes something like "ok yeah you've been raped multiple times in your own home, big deal, but your request for single sex support is a really problematic and we are going to force you to "re-frame your trauma" and make you a better person than the snivelling shit you clearly are" blows my mind. How is it even possible to have a position of power at an organisation whose sole purpose is to help vulnerable women, and not give two fucks about them, to feel distain for them? The lack of compassion or human dignity towards the very people you are there to help who have already been through their own person hell is appaling. I would imagine that words like narcissist and sociopath would be required to explain the behaviour properly. I think the people who coined the word untermensch would find that mindset much easier to understand and accept.

Going back to the power, I'd like to point out places like ERCC are places of last resort, the importance of that being if the ERCC is also treating you abusively there literally is nowhere else to turn to. You're at you very lowest, the whole world is nothing but pain, you turn to the rape crisis centre for help, and they start giving a bollocking because you asked for single sex support. Can you imagine what it must feel like for a person in the most painful mental space to be told how awful they are by the organisation supposed to be helping them? The self worth taking another battering from the people meant to help, "maybe it's me after all?" How can a person do that to another person in such need, and think they are the good guy? How is that a safe space? Idiots drunk on power has bloody awful consequences. The sooner this festering atrocity ends the better. Brindley must go to stop others being harmed.

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Thank you for this. I'd not heard of the concept of "untermensch" before but it really does make sense that this is the root of this.

I wonder if perhaps I've fallen into a trap of the opposite - of expecting more from these women (not MW, he's a bloke) because they're women and will understand the pain and suffering that is specific to our sex. I don't know if there's a word for that. "Gullible", perhaps.

ArabellaScott · 16/09/2024 12:10

The boundaries here are absolutely non existent. Between boss and staff, counsellor and counselled, etc.

People working in this sector would need a very strong awareness of appropriate boundaries. For self protection, self preservation, healthy interactions, safeguarding. All sorts of reasons.

Charitably, these are people who are not even aware of what their role ought to be or how to maintain professional and personal boundaries. It's very concerning.

Lalgarh · 16/09/2024 12:12

lechiffre55 · 16/09/2024 11:46

I want to ask another question. The "spontaneous" emails from former users of ERCC to The Sunday Mail defending Brindley.

My question is how do those service users even know who Brindley is?
The very last question on the mind of someone who's in need of ERCC services is going to be "I wonder who in the public sector is responsible for hiring the manager of this place?"
If you're showing up at the ERCC you've got more urgent things on your mind.
So how are these users even knowing who Brindley is? She doesn't work there. They won't have any contact with her like they would have Wadhwa who actually worked at the site.
Is there anyone on this forum who knows who the comissioning management are over the head of any public facing service they interact with face to face? It seems absurd on the surface.
How do these ERCC users who "spontaneously" emailed The Sunday Mail defending Brindley even know who Brindley is?
I can understand someone defending the ERCC if they thought they were well treated, but defending outside upper mangement? That seems a very long stretch.

Confidentiality and data protection issues/GDPR surely.

"Hi sisters! Our leader has had a slightly negative report in the hated Tory probably bigoted Sunday mail. Can you email them at this address with something along the lines of the following? " I'm a rape survivor and Sandy is GRATE! Don't listen to the HAYTAZ etc etc"