"Trump is the only hope for the world. I hope Americans can see this."

[crimplepop]

KJK going off on one again. Can you see it yet?

you didn't mention spoiling ballots. you said 'Trump is the least worse option in this election' i.e. voting right wing

if the left are wedded to the castration and sterilisation of children, that annoys some people

Huge overgeneralisation that is completely untrue (in the UK). That's a very exaggerated position to take and also very offensive to left leaning GC women.

It is a single issue if you think you don't want the next generation of kids to be mutilated, sterilised, castrated or indoctrinated. Yes. Well done. Finally. Get the fucking bunting out.

They don't have the NHS in the USA but let's not let that get in the way of your argument.

I don't even know if spoiling ballots is a thing in the USA.

I responded to your accusation of ME voting right wing. I've never spoilt a ballot myself, I was pointing out that the difficult decision was why people did.

You aren't very good at following responses without making personal accusations. Which you then don't seem to understand when people respond to you.

If you have an actual point then make it. Maybe start with why you are so wedded to an ideology that indoctrines, mutilates, castrates and mutilates children? I don't get it. Please explain.

@AlisonDonut

It is a single issue if you think you don't want the next generation of kids to be mutilated, sterilised, castrated or indoctrinated. Yes. Well done. Finally. Get the fucking bunting out.

There's one element missing in all your rhetoric: 'parents'. Where are they when the kids are being mutilated, sterilised, castrated or indoctrinated? Why is it all a single party's fault?

This is called misleading vividness. You are describing terrible things happening to a whole generation of kids for the emotional impact, because emotional appeals with vivid language are often effective in convincing people. They are, however, a poor form of argument because they are are manipulative and less than honest.
It's is a common tactic of extremists. Trump, for example, does it all the time.
An entire generation is not going to be subjected to those horrors. Firstly, most of them aren't going to identify as trans. It's still a minority. Secondly, for the ones who do identify, they have parents to put the brakes on their demands for surgeries and hormones. They have doctors to put the brakes on that as well. There are still lots of doctors who will refuse to do surgery on children or give them hormones.
Trump will not change anything regarding the trans craze. If anything, kids may be more likely to identify as trans so they can claim oppressed minority status under Trump, which gives them a lot of attention and sympathy. A President does not have the mandate to outlaw medical transitioning anyway. So if that's what you're hoping for, you'll be disappointed. Even if he could do it, Trump doesn't give a shit about what happens to kids and would do nothing.

"Trump doesn't give a shit about what happens to kids" also sounds like a good foundation for misleading vividness.

Trump will not change anything regarding the trans craze.

It was the Obama administration that changed the wording of Title IX to reflect gender identity. It was Biden who signed an Executive Order about gender identity in his first week in office.

So absolutely Trump could do anything along the same lines to reverse certain decisions made. Whether he will or won’t is debatable. But it is 100% certain Harris won’t.

Not sure the “it’s only a few kids” argument washes either. It’s several thousand already. It should be zero of course.

There's one element missing in all your rhetoric: 'parents'. Where are they when the kids are being mutilated, sterilised, castrated or indoctrinated? Why is it all a single party's fault?

Democrats want to criminalise parents who refuse to affirm their children, or want to prevent parents from being told their child is transitioning. Democrats support parents who want to sterilise etc their children. They want to make it easier for the parents to do so. The nominee for VP, Walz, made Minnesota a place people could bring their children to be sterilised etc without any concern from other states. The Democrats are enabling these parents. That’s where they are in the rhetoric.

Will this change under Trump? Maybe, maybe not. But it 100% won’t get better under Harris.

Aye she's the women's rights Derren Brown, we're in her thrall right enough

I think you're overstating her influence

The parents who get arrested for reading out passages from the books the kids have in their school libraries? Those parents?

Or the ones who have their kids removed if they fail to affirm them? Those parents?

That is called the Chilling Effect. It scares the living bejezus out of other parents as they don't want to get arrested or have their kids taken away from them.

I mean, if that's what you are campaigning for, then that's your right. But other people don't agree with you.

So you can take your misleading vividness and [redacted] it where the [redacted redacted redacted].

Over time and with experienece of a life very much lived in tune with the whole realm of politics, I've now come to think about politics and ideologies in terms of values.

All of this Left Wing - Right Wing tribalism business is just so tiresome, and resorting to it simply means that the issues and the values that different policies represent or embody do not get examined.

I suggest we are all hold a wide variety of different concerns and priorities, and nobody, unless they are a signed up member, agrees with everything their political representatives espouse. We can agree with someone who might be considered 'Left Wing' on one set of issues, and with someone who may be considered 'Right Wing' an another.

I guess when it comes down to voting we have to decide which candidate best aligns with our fundamental priorities at that time.

I agree.

I don't know - many people voted for the Labour Party who then went and implemented all the Tory policies that they had planned, and even ones they hadn't!

I'd say vote for who is likely to implement policies that are the least worst for you and your family. As often their alignment is all total bullshit.

One of the posts on this thread seemed to highlight the issue for some to me on wanting GC cause to remain solely with left wing women, I think they said older women not scrolling back

This kind of gatekeeping will not get women far at all. Politicians need pressure from all sides not just the select few otherwise we'd likely still have Self ID and sterilisation for children

People need to stop gatekeeping an idea, it is not within their gift nor is it helpful to women and girls

Given the increasing courtcases, you cannot say that with complete surety.

Which court cases are you referring to?

Thats what I'm saying, theres an echo in here.

The parents who get arrested for reading out passages from the books the kids have in their school libraries? Those parents?

We have a First Amendment. If anyone reads any passage from a book, they shouldn't be arrested or convicted with that as it's a violation of our constitution.

Then I guess you don't understand what misleading vividness is. It's blowing up a problem to be larger than it actually is, using language designed to create a strong emotional reaction.

Example; "Immigrants are eating the dogs! They're eating the cats! They're eating pets!"
When in reality it was one woman who is alleged to have eaten a cat and she wasn't an immigrant.

I didn't say anything about it being only a few kids. I just said they are a minority because a PP said it was an entire generation.

Accepting gender identity is a long way from allowing kids to be, as that poster put it, mutilated.
If you're willing to hand democracy over to a wannabe dictator because he might sign an executive order you'd like, I don't know what to tell you. Unless he outlaws trans surgery and hormones, which he does not have the ability to do, it makes no difference. The trans train has already left the station, and TRAs would get even more radical if they could claim victim status under Trump.

What are you talking about?
Please provide a link to the cases you are referring to.
I'm not campaigning for anything, actually. I was just pointing out a manipulative type of argument you were using.

IKR. What kind of crazy bullshit was that? People don't get arrested for reading a book, not even the Anarchist Cookbook, FFS.

I spect it will turn out similar to the "people in prison for posting on facebook" type examples. Interested to see the actual stories.