"Trump is the only hope for the world. I hope Americans can see this."

[crimplepop]

KJK going off on one again. Can you see it yet?

Annulment and divorce laws vary according to states in the U.S. and it's much, much easier for women to obtain one in a Democrat state. In fact, it's the Republicans who want to make it more difficult to get one.

And ALL of those things I mentioned will help women married to shit men.

I agree.

KJK has posted this on Twitter in which she explains her position.
'In 2019 I lobbied in the USA. It was to encourage people in power to oppose the “gender identity” element of the Equality Act. I still think the ONLY purpose of that act was to erase women’s rights. The ONLY politicians and staffers that were interested in even listening were republican. Very very few had any idea what was happening and democrats were openly hostile. Blue states chop up more kids and have much more insanity on this issue. I saw a Kennedy host an event for parents of children as young as four who they were calling trans. I genuinely believe what’s happening to children is evil, those medically abused, emotionally abused and gaslit. I think Biden signing away women’s rights with a speedy executive order is evil. I think Harris boasting about what she’s done for AGP prisoners should frighten the hell out of everyone. A country intent on destroying the healthy bodies of children and dismantling what it means to be a woman is one that needs a drastic course correction. Harris is not that.'

I am not supporting her endorsement of Trump but she has a rational position. US terms are 5 years I think so I can see why the temptation to eradicate gender ideology in five years is there. I don't think Trump cares a jot about women and I don't think he will deliver what KJK hopes but as I have said before this is a cross party issue and I'm not going to ostracise someone who disagrees with me politically.

It's four years and he won't have the votes in Congress, which is deeply divided and almost evenly split, to "eradicate gender ideology". The states also have a great deal of control over things like schools and prisons. It's not a parliamentary system like the UK. Thinking that he can "eradicate gender ideology" in four years is not at all rational.

Yes, and you said they were prosecuted for what they did. So it was illegal.
And on late term abortion, I will always advocate for as early as possible as late as necessary.

Can we get back to the issue at hand. Which is a prominent voice for the gender critical movement (yes yes, I know it's not a "movement" and so on and on...) endorsing and promoting Trump, while not even having a vote and what that means for Let Women Speak as an org and for other GC campaigners.

Noble goal, but the reality is many posters don't want to talk about that.

I think a lot of people in the UK won't listen to LWS now because KJK is pro Trump. And that's a real own goal.

Thanks. And thinking Harris can do anything about abortion runs up against the same issue.

The founder of a British political party, which fielded candidates in the last general election, has endorsed a candidate, in a foreign country, who has uttered the most misogynistic statements possible, has committed rape and has openly discussed his daughter in sexually explicit terms.
I find that repugnant. I am aware that that person does not consider herself a feminist. I do consider myself to be a feminist and have been involved in a variety of campaigns since the 1970's, I thought, initially, that her "let women speak" initiative was a good thing, but have concerns that it's connection to her will do more harm than good now.

@AccidentallyWesAnderson

If Julie Bindel or JKR posted that, I’d think ‘what have they been smoking’ and go about my day. I’d still agree with them on pretty much everything else they post about.

If other posters started thread after thread about Julie Bindel and/or JKR, wanting to discuss this over and over again, and implying that someone like me somehow has a part to play in this/makes me right wing by default/has a duty to comment and denounce them, etc etc because I agree with their other stuff, yes, I’d think they live rent free in those heads. Not sure what Mridhul Wadhwa has anything to do with it.

Discuss them thinking Trump is the saviour of all saviours all you like, just don’t put the onus on GC women to comment/denounce/bear responsibility JUST because they share views on other things.

I really doubt this. If you are an intelligent person and a committed feminist, JKR or Julie Bindel making a move like that should bother you. If it happened again, you'd then start to wonder if it indicates a philosophical change in direction, and active support of that person reflects on you. (This applies to your real-life interactions rather than MN.)

No-one is suggesting she be denounced, or that GC women bear responsibility for her actions. KJK's actions are her own. I like how KJK has given a platform for women to speak - but at the same time, I'm concerned about her increasing right-wing connections.

@TempestTost

No, not necessarily. The late term abortions were illegal, but would not be in places where there was no such law, as the poster I was responding to advocated.If you read back, her argument was that no mother would ever make such a choice and no doctor would be involved even if she did, and it's a very sad situation when such things do occur, so it's unnecessary to talk about regulating late term abortions.

Are you referring to me here?

Yes she claims to be a womans rights campaigner instead.
The difference being she gets to move the goalposts as and when it suits.
Neat linguistic trick, now where have we seen that before?

she can CLAIM to be a women's right campaigner can't she, it doesn't make it so. if she is moving against women's rights, then she just isn't a WRC, observably. even if she really really believes that she is

same way men can claim/believe themselves to be women, but we can see that they arent

and her followers that keep insisting that they are left wing. if you keep supporting right wing politicians/policies, then you are observably right wing no matter what you say or believe yourself to be

I know it is difficult but the point is that the so called left wing are so utterly fucking batshit crazy on this that the so called right wing are the least worst choice on this issue.

It has been the point for years and willingly people miss it time and again.

Not that Trump is the best thing since sliced bread, but the least worst option in this election.

and that is fine, if that is your conclusion,isn't it. so you vote right wing and you are right wing because you believe them to be the better option.

but people can't believe left wing parties to be 'utterly fucking batshit crazy', lobby for right wing politicians, vote right wing ....and claim to be left-wing 🤷🏼‍♀️

I've not voted right wing. Ever. It's why many people spoil their ballots.

My point yet again, is that if the left are wedded to the castration and sterilisation of children, that annoys some people (not you obviously) and they vote accordingly in order to get the people who are out of office.

It is a very fucking simple concept. We shouldn't have to keep explaining it.

My point yet again, is that if the left are wedded to the castration and sterilisation of children

Yes, it’s never that way round is it? Why is anyone so keen to support someone (Harris) or a party (the Democrats) who want to legalise the sterilisation of children, legalise the removal of their future sexual function, legalise the ability to remove the breasts of children, legalise a removal of safeguarding practices, and legalise the ability of males to enter the changing rooms of female children at school? How can people possibly support such a person/party? Anyone who does must be a terrible misogynist, child hater, fascist, etc etc blah blah blah.

lemonpepperlady · 12/09/2024 10:26

Hitler wasn't a facist. He was a national socialist. Pro-workers rights, anti-capitalist (which in nazi and communist theory essentially elides with anti-semitism) and expansionist, along with economic interventionism.

Anti capitalist? Are you sure? Why did he give billions of Reichsmarks to Krupp, IG Farben, Thyssen, Siemens etc to run industry? He pretended to be socialist in the beginning, in order to gain working class votes. He was more than happy for the aristos to run things for him and to use their titles.

Thanks @Delphinium20 for the detailed posts upthread about the impact of democrat vs republican policies on married women. It's quite stark when you lay it out. Democrats should be the natural party for female voters.

If it wasn't Trump, if the Democrats hadn't chugged the gender beer, that would still be true, and it's true despite that.

I disagree with KJ because of that.

Shame that Trump is the front man, because republican policies deserve better opposition than "he's a bad bad man"

I'm hoping women vote on more than simply the gender issue.

Geo-politics is in a stage of great instability. Tossing Trump into that mix could add to that precariousness, if not lead to the spread of war theatres. That is just one problem I foresee around a Trump win, but there are so many others - his lack of filter, the flattery of dictators while he openly detracts allies ... I'm don't see issues of this sort with Kamala Harris.

that is single issue voting. it's a very privileged position. there are hundreds of other issues related to social care, welfare, the markets, housing, NHS which are going to see exponentially more women and children dead if we keep getting right wing parties in power.

another simple concept, that doesn't need explaining over and over

KJK seems to have convinced a sub set of GC women into thinking the gender issue is the only thing that matters