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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

"Trump is the only hope for the world. I hope Americans can see this."

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crimplepop · 11/09/2024 16:36

KJK going off on one again. Can you see it yet?

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MessinaBloom · 13/09/2024 10:43

NotBadConsidering · 13/09/2024 10:24

No it’s not the board rules. I asked if anyone has anything new to add. Feel free to repeat the same old, same old, repeated arguments from thread after thread. Just don’t misrepresent my posts saying I am trying to stop discussion. I didn’t do that, did I?

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What sort of information do you want, then?

If you find the thread tedious, don't read it.

NotBadConsidering · 13/09/2024 10:48

MessinaBloom · 13/09/2024 10:43

What sort of information do you want, then?

If you find the thread tedious, don't read it.

I don’t want information. I posted earlier in the thread that I’m hopeful for some creativity and novelty in the discussion. I am happy to hang around on the thread in hope, I’m an optimist like that😄

lifeturnsonadime · 13/09/2024 11:00

cantreallyno · 13/09/2024 10:26

not on this thread, no. in real life and it is evident on some Twitter threads

Ah I don’t go on twitter much, but it’s obvious that some people will agree with her about Trump. The world isn’t a hive mind.

Mayyouleave · 13/09/2024 11:03

TempestTost · 13/09/2024 02:42

Does anyone really claim that though?

KJK's statement seems extremely hyperbolic to me, but I don't think I'd interpret her, or most other people I hear say they'll vote for Trump, as saying they like or approve of him personally. Or that he is a friend to women.

It's a statement about who they think will be the best political outcome, of the available choices. (Or sometimes, least worse outcome.) That doesn't always mean the nicest person, or even morally most upright person. People can be real knobs or morally questionable, but effective leaders, or lead an effective team, or be somewhat less shit than the other option.

People here making this argument get very tied up on Trump will screw over abortion rights, and Harris will somehow preserve or even improve them. I don't think it's likely to make a difference one way or another, it's been kicked to the states and neither Harris nor Trump will be able to influence much. (I doubt Trump wants to, I don't think he cares much personally and it would lose him more than he would gain politically.) So it's an irrelevancy in practical terms.

I do think that Trump or Harris could make a big difference on gender questions and both are likely to try and do so. Harris because she is a True Believer and so are her base supporters, and Trump because it would be easy, sit well with his constituency, and would be good for his ego fulfillment. He also likely believes that it reflects the truth but I doubt that motivates him significantly.

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"People here making this argument get very tied up on Trump will screw over abortion rights, and Harris will somehow preserve or even improve them.*

He is the cause of abortion already being banned in many states, even for rape and incest. Of course Harris would improve abortion rights, this is part of her election campaign.

cantreallyno · 13/09/2024 11:10

Dumbo12 · 13/09/2024 00:05

Two tier policing appears to mean very different things to different groups of people. To some it is bias in favour of Muslim men, to some it is bias against women, to some it bias against Jewish people, to some it is bias against a particular class. I fail to see that some of these disparate groups attending a rally organised by "Tommy Robinson" achieve any aim other than providing their organiser with yet more publicity.

the thing with it meaning different things to different people, is that it is easily proved or disproved using police stats I think. I don't think there is any way in hell you will find evidence that UK police are more lenient when it comes to Muslims 🤣

JeremiahBullfrog · 13/09/2024 11:11

It's one thing to vote for a traditional Republican, and another thing to vote for Trump, a man who flies in the face of countless traditional Republican values whilst offering very little positive for progressives either.

cantreallyno · 13/09/2024 11:13

lifeturnsonadime · 13/09/2024 11:00

Ah I don’t go on twitter much, but it’s obvious that some people will agree with her about Trump. The world isn’t a hive mind.

do you go In Real Life, much? I mean, she has people who follow her around the country/the world, they pretty much have a uniform and defend everything she says/does

EasternStandard · 13/09/2024 11:14

cantreallyno · 13/09/2024 11:13

do you go In Real Life, much? I mean, she has people who follow her around the country/the world, they pretty much have a uniform and defend everything she says/does

Why would 'real life' mean the pp knows this?

CassieMaddox · 13/09/2024 11:21

NotBadConsidering · 13/09/2024 10:48

I don’t want information. I posted earlier in the thread that I’m hopeful for some creativity and novelty in the discussion. I am happy to hang around on the thread in hope, I’m an optimist like that😄

In my opinion KJK being very openly MAGA is new. When there were suspicions she was MAGA it was dismissed as a smear. So I think it is important to discuss that a) it isn't a smear, so how can feminists raise early warnings of this kind of concern without being dismissed and b) what the implications are of a prominent women's right activist supporting a misogynist, patriarchal sex offender to be elected as POTUS?

I don't see it needs to be any more "novel and new" than that. The threads about reforming the EA rarely say anything "novel and new". Or the threads about JKR. It's just people discussing gender critical topics of interest, on one of the main places on the Internet where it's possible to do so.

lifeturnsonadime · 13/09/2024 11:21

cantreallyno · 13/09/2024 11:13

do you go In Real Life, much? I mean, she has people who follow her around the country/the world, they pretty much have a uniform and defend everything she says/does

Are you talking about the Let Women Speak events and the Adult Human Female TShirts?

Of course I know about those but she’s not using those events in the UK to make pro-Trump / anti abortion speeches. So I’m not clear what your point is.

I think those events are important for women in the light of gender ideology, are you saying you want those events to stop altogether because of posts on twitter?

lifeturnsonadime · 13/09/2024 11:24

Mayyouleave · 13/09/2024 11:03

"People here making this argument get very tied up on Trump will screw over abortion rights, and Harris will somehow preserve or even improve them.*

He is the cause of abortion already being banned in many states, even for rape and incest. Of course Harris would improve abortion rights, this is part of her election campaign.

I don’t think this is quite that simple tough. The democrats failed to enact legislation to secure Roe v Wade too. They left the door open for any bad actor to do what the Republicans did, which was extremely risky in the knowledge of the extremes the religious right will go to.

cantreallyno · 13/09/2024 11:26

EasternStandard · 13/09/2024 11:14

Why would 'real life' mean the pp knows this?

she is claiming that she doesn't see any evidence of a 'cult like following'....I said not on this thread but IRL and on Twitter. she replied that she doesn't go on twitter. so I'm asking if she follow JkJ IRL.... because if she doesn't and she isn't on Twitter, then how would she ever have expected to know what KJKs followers are like 🤷🏼‍♀️

cantreallyno · 13/09/2024 11:28

lifeturnsonadime · 13/09/2024 11:21

Are you talking about the Let Women Speak events and the Adult Human Female TShirts?

Of course I know about those but she’s not using those events in the UK to make pro-Trump / anti abortion speeches. So I’m not clear what your point is.

I think those events are important for women in the light of gender ideology, are you saying you want those events to stop altogether because of posts on twitter?

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lifeturnsonadime · 13/09/2024 11:29

cantreallyno · 13/09/2024 11:28

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I don’t understand this emoji?

Shortshriftandlethal · 13/09/2024 11:32

Daleksatemyshed · 11/09/2024 17:19

Regardless of anything else I don't understand how anyone can vote for Trump. A man who tries to win a debate by saying immigrants eat people's pets and the Democrats will allow abortions up to 9 months, who incited revolution and rioting at the White House and yet still people want to vote for him , madness

Some states do permit abortion right up until birth, and recently Walz, Kamala's running mate, withdrew guidance, in Minnesota, that related to being obliged to preserve the life of a baby born alive.

The abortion debate in the U.S is so extreme - at both ends of the argument.

joelion · 13/09/2024 11:32

It's easy enough to see that Trump is completely bonkers. But millions of people vote for him and/or advocate voting for him. Obviously it is not sensible to have a completely bonkers Potus. So, those millions are themselves bonkers.

KJK, it seems, is one of those. It follows she is bonkers.

Of course many of us already knew that. Some seem to find it strange that a bonkers person sometimes says, out loud, things that are true (like, for instance, "Trans women are men"). But, really, it's not strange. Happens all the time. Even a stopped clock ...

No need to worry, really. Just a bit depressing there are so many bonkers people around.

Shortshriftandlethal · 13/09/2024 11:36

Autumnismyfavouritetimeofyear · 11/09/2024 18:39

Past 9 months - they wait for the babies to be born and then execute them, according to him last night!!!!! It is insanity.

I think that comment relates to my post above.......which relates to the withdrawal of guidelines to be obliged to preserve the life of an infant born alive ( in Minnesota) Termination is legally permitted right up until birth in a number of U.S states.

Trump garbles most facts, but there is a smidgen of truth in what he says.

EasternStandard · 13/09/2024 11:38

One thing that has struck me after the debate is how much wasn't communicated well enough for people to likely recall but everywhere it's Trump's line that sticks and gets repeated

Whether this helps or hinders in the end I guess we'll see

CassieMaddox · 13/09/2024 11:45

Shortshriftandlethal · 13/09/2024 11:36

I think that comment relates to my post above.......which relates to the withdrawal of guidelines to be obliged to preserve the life of an infant born alive ( in Minnesota) Termination is legally permitted right up until birth in a number of U.S states.

Trump garbles most facts, but there is a smidgen of truth in what he says.

there is a smidgen of truth in what he says
A common tactic of all good liars, just enough truth to seem credible/sow uncertainty it's a lie

cantreallyno · 13/09/2024 11:51

joelion · 13/09/2024 11:32

It's easy enough to see that Trump is completely bonkers. But millions of people vote for him and/or advocate voting for him. Obviously it is not sensible to have a completely bonkers Potus. So, those millions are themselves bonkers.

KJK, it seems, is one of those. It follows she is bonkers.

Of course many of us already knew that. Some seem to find it strange that a bonkers person sometimes says, out loud, things that are true (like, for instance, "Trans women are men"). But, really, it's not strange. Happens all the time. Even a stopped clock ...

No need to worry, really. Just a bit depressing there are so many bonkers people around.

I think this sums it up nicely, doesn't it 🤣

MessinaBloom · 13/09/2024 12:15

@Shortshriftandlethal

Some states do permit abortion right up until birth, and recently Walz, Kamala's running mate, withdrew guidance, in Minnesota, that related to being obliged to preserve the life of a baby born alive.

But it's not like a woman is rolling up to an abortion clinic at 9 months pregnant and saying "I've changed my mind," is it? These are babies who wouldn't survive outside the womb for long. So these states are actually providing medical care for the mother.

They don't provide abortions at 9 months for perfectly healthy babies.

Lovelyview · 13/09/2024 12:23

Venice Allen just posted this on Twitter. Magdalen is Magdalen Berns. 'The last time I spoke to Magdalen she asked me to do everything I could to unite all the women in this fight and I promised her that I would. It’s not always easy to work across the aisle but infighting is a waste of energy when there is still so much work to do.' I agree with that.

lifeturnsonadime · 13/09/2024 12:44

Right so given that I’ve had a bunch of emojis in response to one of my posts on here without explanation of what they meant I will assume that that poster thinks that Let Women Speak events should Stop because some posters disagree with KJK politics unrelated to these events.

I find that astonishing , I really do.

It’s literally using Trump to shut women up.

Then people wonder why some of us think the far left is as bad as the far right.

I don’t agree with kjk on Trump but don’t agree with Harris on gender ID either.

Suggesting women in the UK shouldn’t have a platform because of events in the US is very strange.

timenowplease · 13/09/2024 12:44

I'm always baffled by the anti-Trumpers. Do you all not realise that he has already been in office for 4 years??

I'm also baffled why GC women, knowing full well that mainstream media consistently lie about trans issues, seemingly have lost their critical thinking skills when it comes to things like this.

If the choice is between Trump and Harris, I'd pick Trump.

timenowplease · 13/09/2024 12:45

lifeturnsonadime · 13/09/2024 12:44

Right so given that I’ve had a bunch of emojis in response to one of my posts on here without explanation of what they meant I will assume that that poster thinks that Let Women Speak events should Stop because some posters disagree with KJK politics unrelated to these events.

I find that astonishing , I really do.

It’s literally using Trump to shut women up.

Then people wonder why some of us think the far left is as bad as the far right.

I don’t agree with kjk on Trump but don’t agree with Harris on gender ID either.

Suggesting women in the UK shouldn’t have a platform because of events in the US is very strange.

It means 'mind blown'. Not sure the poster was aware of the meaning either as it seems weird in the context of your post.

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