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"Trump is the only hope for the world. I hope Americans can see this."

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crimplepop · 11/09/2024 16:36

KJK going off on one again. Can you see it yet?

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AccidentallyWesAnderson · 13/09/2024 12:45

timenowplease · 13/09/2024 12:44

I'm always baffled by the anti-Trumpers. Do you all not realise that he has already been in office for 4 years??

I'm also baffled why GC women, knowing full well that mainstream media consistently lie about trans issues, seemingly have lost their critical thinking skills when it comes to things like this.

If the choice is between Trump and Harris, I'd pick Trump.

What 'trans issues' do the mainstream media lie about?

timenowplease · 13/09/2024 12:46

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 13/09/2024 12:45

What 'trans issues' do the mainstream media lie about?

Ah give over.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 13/09/2024 12:47

timenowplease · 13/09/2024 12:46

Ah give over.

Give over what? I genuinely want to know what you mean. Surely you can evidence this?

lifeturnsonadime · 13/09/2024 12:48

timenowplease · 13/09/2024 12:45

It means 'mind blown'. Not sure the poster was aware of the meaning either as it seems weird in the context of your post.

Thank you. I wondered if it meant my brains had fallen out?

Any way if the poster didn’t mean they mean that women shouldn’t speak at a platform arranged by kJK for events not connected to UK politics maybe they’ll clarify.

Shortshriftandlethal · 13/09/2024 13:00

MessinaBloom · 13/09/2024 12:15

@Shortshriftandlethal

Some states do permit abortion right up until birth, and recently Walz, Kamala's running mate, withdrew guidance, in Minnesota, that related to being obliged to preserve the life of a baby born alive.

But it's not like a woman is rolling up to an abortion clinic at 9 months pregnant and saying "I've changed my mind," is it? These are babies who wouldn't survive outside the womb for long. So these states are actually providing medical care for the mother.

They don't provide abortions at 9 months for perfectly healthy babies.

The point is that many states do have no upper abortion limit. No other country in the world does that. In most of Europe the limit is about 14 weeks, with 22 weeks in very rare and unusual circumstances. So in a country such as the U.S, a no limit law is a very provocative act.

timenowplease · 13/09/2024 13:10

Shortshriftandlethal · 13/09/2024 13:00

The point is that many states do have no upper abortion limit. No other country in the world does that. In most of Europe the limit is about 14 weeks, with 22 weeks in very rare and unusual circumstances. So in a country such as the U.S, a no limit law is a very provocative act.

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I found this out recently and it's a paradigm shifter for me. Very disturbing.

CassieMaddox · 13/09/2024 13:16

timenowplease · 13/09/2024 12:44

I'm always baffled by the anti-Trumpers. Do you all not realise that he has already been in office for 4 years??

I'm also baffled why GC women, knowing full well that mainstream media consistently lie about trans issues, seemingly have lost their critical thinking skills when it comes to things like this.

If the choice is between Trump and Harris, I'd pick Trump.

Yes, and in that time he lied, broke the law, and promoted a heap of irresponsible conspiracy bollocks.

I was amazed the US elected him the first time, to go back for more is insane. We can all see who he is.

CassieMaddox · 13/09/2024 13:19

timenowplease · 13/09/2024 13:10

I found this out recently and it's a paradigm shifter for me. Very disturbing.

Why? Do you deep down think that women impulsively abort full term foetuses?

It doesn't concern me at all. Late abortions are invariable TFMR. Those parents have enough to cope with, without judgement from strangers.

Shortshriftandlethal · 13/09/2024 13:22

CassieMaddox · 13/09/2024 13:19

Why? Do you deep down think that women impulsively abort full term foetuses?

It doesn't concern me at all. Late abortions are invariable TFMR. Those parents have enough to cope with, without judgement from strangers.

Good for you. It does concern some people, however; even those who are in favour of the right to access a termination, or who have had terminations themselves.

timenowplease · 13/09/2024 13:24

CassieMaddox · 13/09/2024 13:16

Yes, and in that time he lied, broke the law, and promoted a heap of irresponsible conspiracy bollocks.

I was amazed the US elected him the first time, to go back for more is insane. We can all see who he is.

Yes, and in that time he lied, broke the law, and promoted a heap of irresponsible conspiracy bollocks.

Oh ok, that doesn't seem so bad. From what I'm reading here he's the devil incarnate.

Have you ever heard of a guy called Bill Clinton? He fucked an intern with a cigar whilst in a cupboard. He then lied about it. Not to mention the numerous trips on the Lolita Express. He's an elder statesman now. Highly respected.

cantreallyno · 13/09/2024 13:26

CassieMaddox · 13/09/2024 13:19

Why? Do you deep down think that women impulsively abort full term foetuses?

It doesn't concern me at all. Late abortions are invariable TFMR. Those parents have enough to cope with, without judgement from strangers.

and this is when the well worn argument is really relevant isn't it. if Trumpers REALLY cared about those babies lives...they would support financial support for the mothers to raise the babies that they are forced to birth. but they inevitably don't support welfare/benefits, because generally right wingers don't. that is socialism/left wing politics

MiriamMay · 13/09/2024 13:27

Shortshriftandlethal · 13/09/2024 13:22

Good for you. It does concern some people, however; even those who are in favour of the right to access a termination, or who have had terminations themselves.

Could you share what concerns you specifically?
How does setting a cutoff point for abortions align with the principle of a woman’s right to choose?

CassieMaddox · 13/09/2024 13:30

lifeturnsonadime · 13/09/2024 11:21

Are you talking about the Let Women Speak events and the Adult Human Female TShirts?

Of course I know about those but she’s not using those events in the UK to make pro-Trump / anti abortion speeches. So I’m not clear what your point is.

I think those events are important for women in the light of gender ideology, are you saying you want those events to stop altogether because of posts on twitter?

I'm not the 🤯 poster and don't want to speak for her.

Following your post and that reply I went and fact checked myself by looking at the LWS site. LWS is rebranded as a global movement (KJK in charge) with a US arm headed by Ally Snyder. Ally Snyder was previously a key member of Moms for Liberty ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moms_for_Liberty )

Moms for Liberty closely aligned with Trump/MAGA and anti-gay movements I think. Its easy enough to find out about them.

On Twitter it appears Party of Women is also starting up in the States, again being spearheaded by Snyder.

It is not possible to separate LWS from KJK, and it's not possible to separate her UK activities from her US activities, even if you wanted to.

Maybe rather than being defensive about what's being said you could do some basic research and see if you can see why other posters hold the opinions they do?

CassieMaddox · 13/09/2024 13:34

The "Funding" section of the Wikipedia page is particularly relevant.

CassieMaddox · 13/09/2024 13:39

timenowplease · 13/09/2024 13:24

Yes, and in that time he lied, broke the law, and promoted a heap of irresponsible conspiracy bollocks.

Oh ok, that doesn't seem so bad. From what I'm reading here he's the devil incarnate.

Have you ever heard of a guy called Bill Clinton? He fucked an intern with a cigar whilst in a cupboard. He then lied about it. Not to mention the numerous trips on the Lolita Express. He's an elder statesman now. Highly respected.

Did he take state secrets, keep them insecure in a private residence and possibly share them with hostile States?

Did he pay off porn stars illegally and lie about it? Hmm

Did he encourage his supporters to riot?

Or inject themselves with bleach to cure covid?

Trump is horrendous. The "he's just the same as the rest" is dangerous minimisation and I don't know what people gain from it (unless they live in the US and really, really identify as Republican in which case I can see cognitive dissonance would be in play)

Wenzles · 13/09/2024 13:42

The co-founder & nominating officer of Party Of Women is LA based Trump fanatic Paul Duddridge so none of these recent events are surprising.

https://x.com/PaulDuddridge?t=5CPP9uhzIfJL2EHLydcGrQ&s=09

"Trump is the only hope for the world. I hope Americans can see this."
"Trump is the only hope for the world. I hope Americans can see this."
Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/09/2024 13:44

Have you ever heard of a guy called Bill Clinton? He fucked an intern with a cigar whilst in a cupboard. He then lied about it. Not to mention the numerous trips on the Lolita Express. He's an elder statesman now. Highly respected.

He's also been accused of rape before he became president by a woman, Juanita Broaddrick. The podcast "The Coming Storm" touched upon it from the perspective of the right wing using it, but didn't give all that much attention to whether it was true.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juanita_Broaddrick

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/series/m001324r?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juanita_Broaddrick

Shortshriftandlethal · 13/09/2024 13:55

MiriamMay · 13/09/2024 13:27

Could you share what concerns you specifically?
How does setting a cutoff point for abortions align with the principle of a woman’s right to choose?

My feeling is that every other country manages to deal with the extreme outliers/exceptions without having a no limit law such as those in some U.S states.

I'm not interested in making anthing 'align' with a predetermined principle; I'm more interested in the sort of wholistic approach which also recognises that being pregnant and giving birth automatically means that a woman is not in control of her own body; that the very nature of pregnancy precludes that.

Anyone who has been pregnant, given birth and has children recognises the deep inner urges/instincts that accompany pregnancy - whether that pregnancy was chosen/desired or not...which is what makes having a termination often a very painful decision to make. It is not just about you. You feel the life inside and you instinctively seek to nurture and feed it.

A lot of contemporary feminism seems to me to be profoundly anti motherhood - seeing pregnancy and motherhood as an automatic negative or life denying restriction. There is something very unsavoury about seeing a crowd chanting " My body, My choice" and " abortion on demand" as if it is something to desire or celebrate, rather than the difficult and painful choice it most often is.

I've had two terminations, myself. One when I was 15 years old and 10 weeks pregnant; and one when already a single mother, at age 24 - at 12 weeks of pregnancy. Having already been a mother, I found having to wait an extra two weeks to have a NHS termination very difficult to deal with; as I could feel the life inside of me, and loved it.

cantreallyno · 13/09/2024 13:55

CassieMaddox · 13/09/2024 13:34

The "Funding" section of the Wikipedia page is particularly relevant.

crikey 😯

timenowplease · 13/09/2024 14:08

CassieMaddox · 13/09/2024 13:39

Did he take state secrets, keep them insecure in a private residence and possibly share them with hostile States?

Did he pay off porn stars illegally and lie about it? Hmm

Did he encourage his supporters to riot?

Or inject themselves with bleach to cure covid?

Trump is horrendous. The "he's just the same as the rest" is dangerous minimisation and I don't know what people gain from it (unless they live in the US and really, really identify as Republican in which case I can see cognitive dissonance would be in play)

Did he take state secrets, keep them insecure in a private residence and possibly share them with hostile States?

Did he pay off porn stars illegally and lie about it?

Did he encourage his supporters to riot?

Or inject themselves with bleach to cure covid?

Did Trump? Most of that stuff is made up.

timenowplease · 13/09/2024 14:16

I posted a link to a Buck Angel live with Jennifer Sey yesterday. At one point they talk about Harris and how appalling she is. Sey said that even though she's a Democrat and former Californian resident she never voted for Harris because of how useless she is.

Even the Democrat party have no faith in her. She was shoved in as a Hail Mary pass when it became glaringly obvious demented Biden could go on no longer.

They've only managed to spin it so effectively because they have the corrupt mainstream media behind them.

MiriamMay · 13/09/2024 14:17

Shortshriftandlethal · 13/09/2024 13:55

My feeling is that every other country manages to deal with the extreme outliers/exceptions without having a no limit law such as those in some U.S states.

I'm not interested in making anthing 'align' with a predetermined principle; I'm more interested in the sort of wholistic approach which also recognises that being pregnant and giving birth automatically means that a woman is not in control of her own body; that the very nature of pregnancy precludes that.

Anyone who has been pregnant, given birth and has children recognises the deep inner urges/instincts that accompany pregnancy - whether that pregnancy was chosen/desired or not...which is what makes having a termination often a very painful decision to make. It is not just about you. You feel the life inside and you instinctively seek to nurture and feed it.

A lot of contemporary feminism seems to me to be profoundly anti motherhood - seeing pregnancy and motherhood as an automatic negative or life denying restriction. There is something very unsavoury about seeing a crowd chanting " My body, My choice" and " abortion on demand" as if it is something to desire or celebrate, rather than the difficult and painful choice it most often is.

I've had two terminations, myself. One when I was 15 years old and 10 weeks pregnant; and one when already a single mother, at age 24 - at 12 weeks of pregnancy. Having already been a mother, I found having to wait an extra two weeks to have a NHS termination very difficult to deal with; as I could feel the life inside of me, and loved it.

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As a mother, I understand the deep instincts that can come with pregnancy, and I have also experienced having an abortion.

However, with respect, is it fair to use our personal experiences to dictate how other women should feel about pregnancy and abortion?

And is it right to use our own experiences to control what they can do with their bodies or limit their access to abortion?

I didn’t find my abortion a difficult decision at all and I didn’t experience any negative feelings afterwards. I don’t believe my feeling are less valid because they differ from yours

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/09/2024 14:54

Even the Democrat party have no faith in her. She was shoved in as a Hail Mary pass when it became glaringly obvious demented Biden could go on no longer.

They've only managed to spin it so effectively because they have the corrupt mainstream media behind them.

From what I've seen I fully agree with this assessment.

RaspberryParade · 13/09/2024 15:39

This is such a depressing thread, the lack of broader understanding is scary, Turkeys voting for Christmas or Trump.
"I believe he has womens and childrens best interests at heart"
How can women who are so sensitive,supposedly, to liars predators abusers and gaslighters come to that conclusion?
I mean he has repeatedly, for decades now publicly lusted after his own daughter ffs!
Bizarre.
But maybe just maybe, the posters arent actually women, rather male maga.
Given Trumps record with women, its the only logical conclusion.

To vote for a woman hater like Trump as a woman, has to be the most self defeating handmaids tale behaviour I've ever heard.
As to English women touting him, for bloody shame! He will be disastrous for Britain and Europe, on every level.

Grammarnut · 13/09/2024 15:39

CassieMaddox · 12/09/2024 23:06

Yep, I don't think we have either

Has he been convicted of rape? If not it is 'alleged rapist'. Not a lot better but at least not libel.

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