3 questions for GC women

[ChirpyFinch]

As the title says, three questions for the women in this chat.

1. Do you think the majority of people are gender critical, and why/why not?

2. Globally, the right wing is more vocally gender critical than the left. They are also far more likely to be regressive on a range of women’s issues like abortion and anti-gay. Why do you think they agree with GCs on this one issue but disagree on so much else (if you think they do?)

3. How many trans people do you estimate there are globally?

I didn't realise until I was much older that rock cakes were actually a thing in their own right. In my house growing up rock cakes were scones that had gone wrong to the point you could throw them at the outside wall and they would fall to the ground still intact, like a rock!

(My mother couldn't cook to save her life!).

And as I'm currently nil food and clear liquids only this thread is pure torture!!

I had some Herman starter in the 2000s, it was a bit grim. Are jam drops similar to ‘melting moments’ they are delicious despite (or maybe because of) being made of lard.

1. The vast majority of people know and understand that humans can’t change sex. Few people globally spend time thinking about it - there is no need. We don’t need a label to describe knowing that people can’t change sex - it’s the default position. A label might be useful for the very small proportion of people who do adhere to the belief / ideology that people can change sex or be ‘born in the wrong body’, and the people who don’t really believe it but go along with it for whatever reason. As such ‘GC’ is just a useful shorthand only really used by people involved in trying to support women’s rights and protecting children from being damaged by the trans ideology.

2. Is the wrong question. As I’ve already said knowing that humans can’t change sex is most people’s position so it follows that many, many different groups will agree on this, while disagreeing on other areas.
   It is a childish attitude to think that because you disagree in some areas you have to disagree in all - the real world isn’t student politics.

3. haven’t a scooby.
   It’s worth noting that in many cases globally what some might call transgender identities are actually a response to homophobia (eg Iran).
   It’s also worth noting the rapid rise in autistic young females who believe they are trans and questioning why older women aren’t ‘coming out’ at the same rate, now that it is socially acceptable.
   It’s also worth separating females who may believe they are trans as a response to escaping the societal pressures of being female, or as a trauma response to abuse, from males (often older) who claim a female identity as part of a sexual fetish. These two groups have very little in common.

What on earth are you talking about? Utter piffpaff.

Biology and evolution say humans can't change sex.

Trans by Helen Joyce should be ready by everyone.

There's a lovely story about the emperor's new clothes .

I have that book!

Thanks for the great recipes, wims. Jam drops are suitable breakfast food, yes?

Gender critical means critical of gender stereotypes. Gender stereotypes are social constructs related to sex. Gender critical feminists don't believe in gender essentialism IE our sex determines our behaviour.

Trans people believe in gender essentialism and abide by gender stereotypes. They believe in girl brain and boy brain; immutable differences we're born with according to our sex.

If I was to just define 'trans person' in that last question as 'person who does not deliberately perform and project a sex-role stereotype in daily life' I'd say 99.5% of us.

Every day, all day, any time of the day. Jam drops are the elixir of life but in biscuit form…

Look up the judgement in the Maya Forstater case for the legally accepted definition of what 'gender critical' views mean.

Then consider that most people don't define themselves by a set of beliefs on a certain topic. Some don't even give a fuck what other people want to call us.

And many people have a mix of views and beliefs on various topics.

Disagreement is normal and healthy. People dont have to conduct discourse as a series of bear traps and gotchas to try and 'win'. People can chat and exchange views and discuss differences.

Well, everybody is non binary, right?

Mine is circa 1982 print. I know school friends who also kept theirs. My niece’s children had a recent version, the recipes are quite different. And there seems to be less recipes, more pics. Still, they are awesome. Over here in the UK, my teen didn’t get a book like that. Just print outs of recipes and they were not even interesting recipes. Home ec sucks at my teen’s school.

Beacon Hill cookies are fabulous if you like a nuts and chocolate combo - and very light as they're mostly whipped eggwhite.

https://www.food.com/recipe/beacon-hill-cookies-7335

But of course. in saying that, you need a generous hand full, Arabella. They are not huge.

1. Most people, even those saying the they are trans allies, don't really believe TWAW. At least not when cross examined and made to think about it.

1. The right has set ideas about the role of men and women, which trans ideology affronts. They were quicker to reject trans ideology as a result of being regressive by nature. The left ought to reject trans ideology, but hasn't yet abandoned identity politics as a cause. They've accepted TW as an oppressed minority and it will take a lot of time for that notion to drop, or at least to achieve balance with actual women's rights.

1. Hardly any at all. The debate and gender ideology make disproportionate demands.

Disclosure: I'm male.

By the way wims, if you want the recipes best get them now. The mods will be coming soon and they will be lost!

Three questions that show you don't understand "gender critical". It's a common problem

Take the left / right wing one

The more right wing the more gender enforcing people tend to be

That means they don't see transgender people how they would like to be seen , but doesn't mean they are gender critical and aligned in thinking with "gc"

They want all to fit a narrow definition of male and female with strong gender roles rather than scrapping "gender" altogether, and having binary sex as a feature only when it matters.

In a gender free world - Sex matters when it does and you can be who you like after that with no restrictions. So paint your nails and change your name - you're still a man who likes painted nails. Study maths and play footie and you are still a woman who just likes what today are stereotypical male things

This recipe isn't gluten free but a friend always makes it with gluten free flour and it's wonderful.

ottolenghi.co.uk/pages/recipes/clementine-almond-syrup-cake

It’s wife-eyed now actually

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I don't think "trans" is well enough defined even to say with any certainty how many trans people there might be in the UK or the US. It certainly isn't much use on a global scale, because it really seems to be a cultural thing not some human universal.

Surveys that might help answer Q1 tend to get rather different answers depending on how the question is phrased (e.g. "Are trans women women?" vs. "Should biological males be allowed in female changing rooms?").

If I was to define 'trans person' the opposite way, as 'a person who does deliberately perform and project a sex-role stereotype linked to the chromosomal sex they do not belong to in daily life' I'd say about 0.3% as, weirdly, there are some people who want to project the extreme manliness or girliness a cartoon writer would link to their chromosomal sex.

I suspect that is also a symptom of a mental health condition linked to narcissism.

1. I think the overwhelming majority of people understand that humans can't change sex. I don't know how many of those people are gender critical.
2. Right wingers who are anti abortion and anti gay are not gender critical. They are just a subset of the overwhelming majority of people who understand that humans can't change sex (see 1 above). The only thing they have in common with gender critical women is understanding that humans can't change sex.
3. I don't know how many trans people there are in the world. Does it matter? It doesn't change what a woman is, or the fact that humans can't change sex. I support trans people - however many there are - having exactly the same rights as everyone else. No fewer, no more.

Gender critical means critical of gender. It means we see gender as a social construct which is inherently harmful.

I’m always astonished by people who don’t know what gender critical means. The name kind of says it all

I guess it means they haven’t really thought about what gender is

Everybody has a chromosomal sex that is binary but doesn't go through life in fancy dress right!

Rice crispie buns like my friend makes with extra butter and golden syrup. Fortunately she doesn't make them often.

@SpidersAreShitheads this was my Keto cake recipe - you just need some kind of replacement sugar. I used Erythritol which does have an aftertaste but is ok in a beggars can't be choosers Keto way....!! Maybe worth experimenting with different options