3 questions for GC women

[ChirpyFinch]

As the title says, three questions for the women in this chat.

1. Do you think the majority of people are gender critical, and why/why not?

2. Globally, the right wing is more vocally gender critical than the left. They are also far more likely to be regressive on a range of women’s issues like abortion and anti-gay. Why do you think they agree with GCs on this one issue but disagree on so much else (if you think they do?)

3. How many trans people do you estimate there are globally?

And when you are out of touch with the latest developments in the area. All whilst shouting 'bigotted dinosaur' like a robot.

I have experience of this too. Two daughters of two different friends who we have known since they were little opted for mastectomies- one because she considers herself a man, the other non-binary (which tbh I find even more perplexing- why try to look more male if you are nb?) It just seems utterly brutal.

I seem to have been deleted. Cheers. If anyone can remind me what I said that was delete-worthy it would be useful. Is one now not allowed to question religion?

Just caught up with this thread, cautious, and read your posts.

The rage, fury, frustration, and despair that this awful ideology results in is demonstrated on these boards week in, week out.

A post like yours should be a slam dunk in terms of informing people what is at stake, quite how vulnerable the victims of this ideology are, and that it is indeed the women who oppose it who are absolutely the most informed.

Personally speaking if people aren't disrespectful, rude, dismissive and contemptuous of those who advocate for this ideology, then they're not fucking listening.

Oh @Cambiarenome so brutal. And not the minimal number of surgeries on young women and girls that the media would like us to believe, is it?

It is a minority of young people but it still touches us all. My friends don't care a fig for GI or GC but some of their children are claiming a different gender identity and they're terrified they'll start medicating.

Sending

Might need more than that…

Someone from Mumsnet posted upthread about this board not being "an echo chamber" - and I do understand that it's important to ensure that all views are aired. But as RTB points out, we're now post Cass.
The evidence is out there that there's no good evidence supporting the drugs and surgery that "affirms" children and young people's mental health problems. The evidence about social media and the negative impact on children's mental health is stacking up. The sheer volume of sex offenders exposed in the groups seeking out children to teach them that their bodies are flawed but sex change is a good solution seems to be reaching extreme levels. Even this government, previously captured to the extent that Starmer etc were publicly ridiculed for their TWAW pronouncements, is now banning puberty blockers and have sent out their "suicide expert" to challenge trans extremists for their repeated abuse of suicide statistics.

At some stage it needs to become socially unacceptable to promote transitioning children - and quickly.

@ChirpyFinch I don't think @AgathaMystery necessarily means that trans is a mental illness, I read it that they were just likening the question of how many people are trans to how many people have a particular illness. My answer would also be - who the hell knows!?
I wrote my Law dissertation on a gender issue (gender fraud sexual offences and the inability of the law to prosecute them sufficiently according to victims) and I couldn't answer your 3rd question!
Why so many very specific questions on such an abstract (for Mumsnet) topic?

I've no idea - I replied to part of your post, maybe you can reconstruct it from that. I don't think you said anything delete-worthy, but then I don't often think anyone does.

CautiousLurker for you and your friend, and both of your families. Devastating.

And I wouldn't mind, but the women on here went out of their bloody way for it not to be an echo chamber. Asked question after question of a poster. Sought clarification, explanations, over and over.

Tumbleweed

Self harm, drug abuse, anorexia, alcoholism, cosmetic surgeries and procedures

These are all actions taken that hurt the body as a way of coping with a difficulty in the mind.

It could be trauma, unhappiness, loneliness, not fitting in that are the root cause, but these are not being dealt with (because it's quite tough/sometimes impossible to do this in our society) and so we find a coping mechanism that makes us feel better, even if just briefly.

We need a more accepting, supportive, equal society that doesn't focus on making money for wealthy people as it's key focus.

CautiousLurker, I'm so sorry your young friend has been deceived into this horror and that you and other people who love her are unable to change that. I hope that maybe, despite everything, you'll all come out on the other side of it.

But oh, I wish mental health problems were being treated with therapy, not surgery.

I am no expecting a post about the flaws of Cass as per a blogger who calls themselves an 'investigative journalist' that a particular barrister supported as well as others, or from a heavily invested female person with a transgender identity who made all the noises about providing evidence to rebut Cass, but none of it was relevant or did what they said it did.

Just like I also expect to see the Trevor project misquoted as being the source of that weaponisation of suicide. I would hope that by now that woeful questionnaire was removed from circulation, but no. I believe it reminds out there.

There's a quote from the good childhood report out today (I started a thread on it) which says

One teenager said their peers often feel they need to 'change' themselves to be accepted, because people won't 'acknowledge you or look at you' otherwise. They said people had to 'look a certain way to be accepted'

The report highlighted that we have the most unhappy teenagers in Europe and girls were particularly badly affected.

And physical appearance and this needs to change to fit in, isn't restricted to trans identifying girls...

And physical appearance and this needs to change to fit in, isn't restricted to trans identifying girls...

Yes, my comment way upthread about the young seeming so conformist was a reference to that. Genderism's need for people to fit into sex stereotypes affects everyone who buys into it, not just the ones who 'trans'. I wonder does being in the anglosphere make things worse? I know there are a lot of concerns about young people's mental health in Ireland, and it is being linked to screen time.

Actually I'm not keen on it, though thankfully I'm strong enough to cope. The reason I'm not keen is the same reason I don't like the use of "queer". To me "fuck" still represents violence and sexual abuse nearly always towards women, which is what it meant in the society I grew up in. I remember well the "queer bashing" culture and the threat of sexual violence in shouts of "fuck you", and the casual sexism and ageism more recently in terms like "milf". Fortunately I don't have the power to police everyone's language, and I nearly always grin and bear it.

There's maybe something to be said for words becoming so ubiquitous that they lose their power, but when a young person uses "fucking" as a casual intensifier in our home while lecturing us old bigots about our sinful bigotry, I can understand my DW feeling that we are being disrespected.

Sure.

But as you say, you grin and bear it, that is entirely your own choice and your own association with the words.

I don't plan on stopping using it, feel free to scroll on past any post where that appears.

The thing is, Mumsnet deliberately used a strap line that said 'the one with all the swearing'.

They made a feature of it. And it's very likely why a lot of women were attracted to the site in the first place.

I don't mind swearing. I am still confused by the though. I get that it's rude and dismissive but I don't actually know what it means.

Someone once replied to my post with just this and I was so confused I had my own post deleted and hid the thread.

😂😂

In some ways the swearing is liberating in terms of it being a female dominated site - women are allowed to swear - rather than having to maintain this stereotype of the good wife / mother who is well behaved. You don't have to put up that facade which I do think is essential expected of women online otherwise. It's more of the concept of the silence of women.

I think re. swearing it's perhaps like the difference between seeing a tiger on TV, a tiger in a zoo and a tiger loose outside your home? IYSWIM. Only going to be dangerous in one situation.

I find being told that I shouldn't swear to produce a childish counter action. Because we are fucking adults and should be able to read without being squeamish about whether someone has sworn or not. Frankly, if as an adult you choose to not read and understand something that has swearing in it, it says a great deal about you.