Imane Khelif

[LHayday]

Just reading the thread on here for the first time. What I fail to understand is why so many contributors are so desperate for her to be a man. Someone who has lived their entire life as a woman. Beggars belief.

Can you describe to us without resorting to stereotypes how a person “lives as a woman”?

I think people are more concerned that women don't get hurt.

It's to do with biology not how you live your life isn't it?

Simply because the idea of 'living as a woman' (whatever that means) isn't the same as 'being a female'.

And when it comes to sport, there is very good reason to separate by sex, but none whatever to separate by 'gender'.

I'm sure if she'd chosen to live her life as a woman people would let sleeping dogs lie, but she's chosen to assault biological women whilst having a distinct physical advantage whilst appearing positively gleeful about the injury and pain inflicted. HTH

Oh dear OP, you just don't get it do you? I don't care if this person 'lived as a woman' whatever the hell that means, if he is biologically male he shouldn't be competing in women's sport. End of.

Oh, @LHayday, you are so very late to this party. I think you'll find it's all been discussed in great detail already. Maybe find the other threads and have a read of those?

I think you misunderstand.

Most people want to keep women safe and on a level playing field in sport which means that biology plays a massive part.
So whether a person has gone through male or female puberty matters to keep women safe.
To use the words of another, perhaps they need to 'reframe their trauma'?

If only there was a way of proving Imane's sex.

I doubt anyone here would mind much if IK lived his/her life as a woman. It's the 'competing in women's boxing' thing that's the main concern.

It's the boxing. Nobody would give a flying fandango if IK was, for example, an accountant. Unless he was a dodgy one.

Not this again

I may be premature but I'm going to call it anyway.

This looks very much like a drive-by scolding.

Read The Other Threads

'Living as a woman' whatever that might mean, is not actually being a woman, is it? However having XX chromosomes and having a cheek swab that proves that biological fact would make them a woman, wouldn't it?
This person probably has a DSD, a DSD that is only found in males and consequently has genitalia that does not look typically male. Therefore he is male. I rest my case m'lud.

Yes, please do explain how one "lives as a woman"?

So, would you fancy being a female boxer, expecting to face in a fair fight a woman with levels of testosterone similar to you own, and suddenly being told you're going to be fighting someone with the testosterone, wingspan and muscular strength of a man?

FFS, I can't believe you need to have this explained to you. Just go and read the other threads.

Khelif's wording has been very careful in all communications.

"I was born a woman, I have lived as a woman and I fight as a woman"

All true statements if Khelif has a DSD.

I was born a woman - yes, incorrectly identified as female at birth due to a DSD. This does not change the fact that Khelif has XY chromosomes making them male and giving them the advantage of a male puberty.

I have lived as a woman - I hate this phrase because how does one 'live as a woman' but technically I suppose yes, tells everyone they are a woman and has F in their passport due to the aforementioned error in identification of sex at birth.

I fight as a woman - has identified into the female category due to shoddy entrance requirements and yes does now fight in the women's category.

None of these things actually make Khelif a female by biology and physiology. They have all the physical advantages of a male body which makes it unfair and dangerous for them to be punching women in the head for sport.

He would have found out very quickly at puberty just how male he is. No Algerian Muslim Woman would be hoisted on a Man’s shoulders.

What I fail to understand is why so many are so desperate for Mowgli to be a man. Someone who has lived their entire life as a wolf. Beggars belief.

How does one 'live as a woman'? Just so I know I'm doing it right. TIA.

If there were a competition to be the best female accountant, I'd certainly give a flying fandango. As well as a flying fuck.

Actually, the thing is, we're desperate for Khelif to be a woman. Then there wouldn't be any problem with him boxing with women...

The problem is with the IOC who don't care whether he's a man or woman.

I think you will find that lots of us have been womaning wrongly for ages. 😁

SHE