Algerian boxer filing legal claim over online harrassment

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She could have put this to bed by sharing DNA tests. I'm struggling to feel sympathy, although it must be horrid.

And coincidentally the same year that the three XY athletes took gold, silver and bronze in the women’s 800m at the 2016 Olympics.

If I was in my twenties when the test was conducted I'd feel pretty fucking dumb.

Most potential international athletes will be picked up by age 18 - even in less affluent countries - these days.

There needs to be efforts to tackle the coaches deliberately seeking out DSD cases too. That's at the national level.

It should be dealt with at grass roots before it gets to the actual games.

I would be devastated, but I wouldn't go on to box the head off actual women, I know that for sure.

Just a little prediction. The actual worst and bluntest comments will I'd imagine be from men but I predict their 'case' will target women. Even those just using language appropriate to what they see e.g. male pronouns. We'll see.

Intense training can stop menstruation so if they start training young that might not raise any questions.

"She"???

They've both been beaten by women so not a given they will win and I haven't heard of any boxers having their heads boxed off.

It might be difficult if you are poor, you are a professional boxer and that puts food on the table.

Breaking a woman’s nose is more bullying than stating someone’s sex.

I'm reasonably well versed in the female athlete's triad and the efforts coaches go to to forestall this.

Note, you remark "can stop". IK was playing football and spotted at the age of 17. Any intense training would have started beyond that age.

Again, no menarche before the age of 17. And the question about age of onset of menarche would have been asked along with details of the menstrual cycle when intense training started.

Why? Generally we are told, over and over again, if you have a penis you are male. With some of these conditions there isn't a penis so by that logic they aren't men or at least they probably have no reason to think they are men.

It must be pretty bloody horrific to find this out when you are an adult.

All countries have a responsibility to their own athletes. If they look likely to progress to the international level, then good procedures talking about how there is a test, how the test works, why the test is necessary and how it's possible the result might not come back with 'the right result' should be tackled. The IOC should set this out as basic good practice.

As part of that, before you even get to that stage, questions about whether you are presenting as a female or whether there may be a potential problem and chance such a test might show an unexpected result.

I think my point is it's disengenous to say that an XY result will come as a complete shock without any prior indications.

Khelif needs to sue the IBA, as it's their tests that have caused the outrage.

It's an outrage which is justified if the tests are correct, because men with DSDs shouldn't be participating in women's sports, even if they were misidentified as female at birth. But, conversely, if the tests are inaccurate, then the IBA have caused a woman to be harassed and accused of being male when she's not.

People shouldn't be punished for saying that Khelif (or Lin Yu-ting) shouldn't be in women's sports when a major sporting body has publicly said that they're ineligible due to their sex. Rather than going after those people, Khelif needs to go after the IBA. Maybe she could... I dunno, do a new test to clear things up and prove them wrong?

Its patronising reverse racism.

Maybe she could... I dunno, do a new test to clear things up and prove them wrong?

So simple, eh?

It quite literally is the job of the IOC to be tackling cultural taboos surrounding this.

Menarche is generally reckoned to be typically between 10 and 16. Obviously it can happen a bit earlier or a bit later. I don't think 17 is that wildly different to 16. Other things can affect it, weight and nutrition being big factors.

I was trying to stop a pile on.

I suppose the warning is in your user name but it's difficult to accept your comments with any degree of good faith.

PPs have engaged with you extensively and provided useful links.

There's a point at which further engagement is a disregard for women's resources and any 'lurkers' or bystanders have plenty of links to follow-up.

Yes, that is the honourable and sensible thing to do, not living a lie

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erik_Schinegger

That puts a gigantic stop to my sympathy for IK. The coaches knew, they selected, IK would have known.
Woman - my arse.

Yes, this would be the most logical thing to do although IBC believed it was a safety issue (rather borne out by events) so had to speak up.

But they both were given a chance to appeal and didn't, why not? I would imagine this might undermine any legal claim as they didn't take the route to appeal offered at he time.

Unless of course this is actually just riding a wave of power to punch down on women (see my prediction above).

Horrific or not,he knows he's a bloke and if he's determined to carry on boxing he can climb into the ring with other blokes.

Is it possible to go through life thinking you are female, with everyone from the midwife who delivered you to your close family thinking you are female and then find out you aren't?

What does "presenting as female" actually mean? I knew a girl who was very sporty, slim but muscular, always played sports with the boys. She could easily have been a target for this sort of speculation if she was 20 years younger. Of course when she gave birth to her two children the speculation would probably have stopped.

So many mind readers on here.