Algerian boxer filing legal claim over online harrassment

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She could have put this to bed by sharing DNA tests. I'm struggling to feel sympathy, although it must be horrid.

Lots with x-ray eyes too.

Bollocks. Did she have a male skeleton and a male hip to shoulder ratio? No she did not.

So he didn't get breasts, didn't menstruate, likely had some genital growth at puberty and still thought he was female? I very much doubt it.

He'd lose against men though.

I will re phrase, if I discovered I was a man, i would be devastated, but I wouldn't lie about it and fight women, especially in front of the whole world. Some poor people rob and kill people to put food on the table, doesn't make it ok because they are poor.

I imagine I might continue to "live as a woman" - who knows

I doubt I'd compete in the olympics, knowing that my taking part was at least controversial, if not outright cheating. Because then my medical condition would be dissected, and the chance of me hiding under the radar in normal life is ruined.

People go through all kinds of tough things in life. Sporting careers end for all kinds of reasons - injury, illness, accidents.

Absolutely nothing you have posted justifies Khelif continuing to beat up women knowing he is a man. It's about basic decency and consideration for the welfare of others.

As are the assumptions about the state of medical knowledge in an African country. The HCPs may be overworked and operating in conditions that are not ideal, they may not have the equipment, or access to drugs they need for their patients, but they are trained. And they have the internet. They go on seminars both real and online, share information just like healthcare professionals worldwide.

DSDs are much more common in the global south than in the gn. They are known about in some communities outside the healthcare profession.

And both boxers were able to appeal the IBA results. Khelif started an appeal and dropped it and the other boxer didn't appeal. The results would have become public knowledge if they continued the appeal.

I'm old enough to remember the case. You will note he didn't always win which spoils the argument about women will never have a chance in sport.

Do you think he always knew?

You tell me. I've never checked my hip to shoulder ratio.

@Iwasafool we heard all this emotive stuff about Caster Semenya. Men tried to make us feel sorry for him because we were told he thought he was a woman.

But the colloquial name for 46 XY 5ard is 'penis at 12'. Men born with this DSD typically go through male puberty and at that point their voices break and they grow an Adam's apple.

There are photos of Semenya aged 15 at a swimming event wearing just trunks. No 15 year old girl would just wear trunks around boys. I would bet my house that he knew he was male since puberty - if not before that.

So far we have less information about Khelif, but the fact he was discovered by a coach in his late teens when he was playing football with other boys does point to him having already realised he wasn't a girl at that point. These coaches tell the boys that they can live how they want but they just have to pretend to be a woman on the race track and in front of journalists.

Semenya often forgets he's pretending to be a woman in front of journalists and calls women they and them. Here's an example:

Imo it being an uber-patriarchal country is more important - anything other than obvious male being considered "less than", and therefore must be female.

Yeah,why on earth wouldn't they want that?

Are you serious? That a male bodied athlete doesn’t always win against female athletes, so that makes it ok?

Tell that to the women who have been beaten, punched and hurt by a “person” with 162% greater power in their punch than a female will ever have!

Isn't one of the problems that the IBA aren't being very forthcoming with what the tests were and what they showed. Maybe neither of them are convinced, it must be a difficult thing to get your head round.

Maybe stop with all the killing references, no one has died. It just ramps up the hate for two individuals in a situation none of us would want to find ourselves in.

Not if you are involved with professional coaches looking to take you to international level it's not.

It's disengenous to say differently.

Why are the questions being leveled at individuals and not the experienced coaches, national governing bodies and the IOC?

Individuals are supposed to be looked after. Those who train them have duty of care responsibilities. The IOC has a duty to oversee duty of care responsibilities.

One of the reasons anti-doping rules were brought in, related to the well being of athletes.

We know that very young female gymnasts were deliberately made pregnant by their coaches and forced to give birth to improve performance. That lead to increased checks on international athletes and their medical wellbeing. Even then we've seen issues with abuse. And this is an ongoing fight to improve conditions for vulnerable athletes.

The IOC is responsible for governance and fairness. It sets out standards for good practice . It would be good to see this point reflected in debates on the subject and how there are multiple layers of observation.

A sex test is the final piece in a much bigger picture. It is not the first point at which an issue is noticeable by those with expertise and knowledge.

Years ago I used to fight back when I was in a DV relationship, sometimes I'd "win". Does that prove MVAWG is a lie?

Nobody is making the argument thay men never lose, what are you talking about?

This article, posted on another thread, is from a French source, thank you eatfigs for the translation. It is an interview with Georges Cazorla, one of the large team of 'experts' who have brought Khelif to where they are now, a gold medallist after only taking up boxing at the age of 17. It was a huge and well-financed process, using Khelif as raw material to get the gold medal at the Paris Olympics, no expense spared, no holds barred.

Astonishingly, the interviewee more or or less admits that Khelif has 'problematic' chromosomes, which can only mean XY not XX, and although he is a scientist, he relies instead on Khelif's womanly 'feelings' and 'girl's sensitivity.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5138713-thread-4-two-female-boxers-set-to-compete-at-paris-2024-were-previously-disqualified-from-womens-world-championship-for-having-xy-chromosomes?reply=137453779&utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share

They have been told not to release the tests under Data Protction rules. The athletes have suppressed the information. Wonder why!

They couldn't be forthcoming because they are bound by issues over privacy. Quite rightly.

They are trying to point out an issue with their hands tied. And then are being criticised for having their hands tied. It's not their fault their hands are tied.

They haven't faced punches delivered with male strength.

Those losses were earlier in their careers, when they were less skilled than they are now.

If I took testosterone and entered the women's 100m, I would come dead last. I would still be gaining an unfair advantage because of taking a banned performance enhancing substance.

Poor people show honour and decency as well as rich people.

Instead of commenting with rubbish, why don’t you read the previous threads regarding this?

Seriously - it is fully explained that the IBA released all the information they are allowed to WITHOUT THE AGREEMENT OF THE boxers in question.

The boxers could release the information whenever they wanted to - but they refuse (and didn’t appeal their ban for having XY chromosomes) because they are fully aware of the truth ie. they are both biologically male.