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Thread 4: TWO “Female Boxers” Set To Compete At Paris 2024 Were Previously Disqualified From Women’s World Championship For Having “XY Chromosomes”

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Signalbox · 10/08/2024 07:53

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Surely this cannot be true. In boxing of all sports. I thought boxing had told men they needed to compete with other men? *”Two athletes competing at...

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Omlettes · 14/08/2024 20:03

Zeugma · 14/08/2024 19:45

They ask correspondents for their name (even if you don’t want it published) and unfortunately there are work-related reasons I can’t do this.

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Ok but it just seems that a disproportionate number of people are doing all the work and taking all the risks.
You are the 3rd person today hoping someone else will do something.
If we all did it, then all this would be over

Omlettes · 14/08/2024 20:24

Zeugma · 14/08/2024 19:45

They ask correspondents for their name (even if you don’t want it published) and unfortunately there are work-related reasons I can’t do this.

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No, hang on a minute sorry, but whats to stop you writing to Ian Hislop and correcting him with links?
Use a gmail with made up name.
I genuinely thought about doing it myself for a minute and then I thought, NO Ive been doing this for nearly seven years, its your good idea, you do it.
And if you do then I'll do it.
There is nothing to stop you doing it in the slightest.

Im even going to provide you a website so you and others can find the CEO of most companies.
Heres a relevant link
www.ceoemail.com/s.php?id=ceo-81683&c=Private%20Eye-Editor

Zeugma · 14/08/2024 20:26

Omlettes · 14/08/2024 20:03

Ok but it just seems that a disproportionate number of people are doing all the work and taking all the risks.
You are the 3rd person today hoping someone else will do something.
If we all did it, then all this would be over

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Yes, @Omlettes I would love to - believe me. Sadly there are very real ramifications that constrain so many of us in my place of work. This is the power this poisonous ideology has managed to accrue. I’m very thankful to all the brave men and women who do speak out.

Omlettes · 14/08/2024 20:31

Zeugma · 14/08/2024 20:26

Yes, @Omlettes I would love to - believe me. Sadly there are very real ramifications that constrain so many of us in my place of work. This is the power this poisonous ideology has managed to accrue. I’m very thankful to all the brave men and women who do speak out.

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Use a fake gmail and just write to Ian Hislop,it wont get published anyway.
Ive provided a link.
You use a fake name here, so whats the problem?
We ALL are frightened fgs!
furthemore Maya Forstater went through hell so people like you can speak out legally.
How can you possibly think an email of complaint to an editor under a false name is going to get back to your work?
Do you think Hislop is going to get MI5 on you?

Too many excuses for inaction.

PoshCoffee · 14/08/2024 20:41

Deeds not words.

PoppySeedBagelRedux · 14/08/2024 22:11

Well, I'll write to Private Eye. Plonkers.

Let's as many as possible of us write and if you cannot use your own name use an obviously made-up one and explain why.

That way, they can't say they didn't know.

Plonkers, I say again.

SinnerBoy · 15/08/2024 06:21

Zeugma · Yesterday 17:31

New Private Eye dropped today. The 'Remote Controller' TV column is devoted to Olympics coverage and includes the approving claim that 'Big Daddy Bunce' brings 'serious expertise' to the team.

Steve Bunce isn't a very good reporter on the technical side of boxing. He likes watching it and has all the personal and political gossip, but knows very little about any of the science of the sport.

Helleofabore · 15/08/2024 07:54

https://x.com/SenatorClaire/status/1823970278948606136

She continues to be insightful. She is much needed on this topic.

x.com

https://x.com/SenatorClaire/status/1823970278948606136

Maaate · 15/08/2024 08:27

Plot twist

Turns out Khelif is transphobic. How will the TRAs react, or will it be handwaved away?

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SinnerBoy · 15/08/2024 08:32

This could be popcorn-worthy.

Ingenieur · 15/08/2024 08:33

Maaate · 15/08/2024 08:27

Plot twist

Turns out Khelif is transphobic. How will the TRAs react, or will it be handwaved away?

I suppose this would be the only thing to derail the Khelif machine at this point, but I'm sure the TRAs and Khelif's supporters will find some labyrinthine doublethink to excuse it and continue the grift.

spannasaurus · 15/08/2024 08:39

Has anyone one wondered why Khelif's testosterone levels were being reduced when that wasn't even a condition of competing of this Olympics. To me it suggests that they expect that a new boxing regulator will allow males to compete in the female category if their testosterone level is below a certain level

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 15/08/2024 08:41

Helleofabore · 15/08/2024 07:54

https://x.com/SenatorClaire/status/1823970278948606136

She continues to be insightful. She is much needed on this topic.

crikey, that's a stonking speech

Helleofabore · 15/08/2024 08:42

I agree bernie. She is very consistent too.

Chersfrozenface · 15/08/2024 08:44

Maaate · 15/08/2024 08:27

Plot twist

Turns out Khelif is transphobic. How will the TRAs react, or will it be handwaved away?

Ooh, is that why the IOC published a correction to a press conference statement clarifying that it was not a trans issue but a DSD issue?

Did IK's team have a hissy fit when they saw/heard the original version?

Helleofabore · 15/08/2024 08:44

spannasaurus · 15/08/2024 08:39

Has anyone one wondered why Khelif's testosterone levels were being reduced when that wasn't even a condition of competing of this Olympics. To me it suggests that they expect that a new boxing regulator will allow males to compete in the female category if their testosterone level is below a certain level

I did wonder. And I also wondered, like you, if they anticipated something like that. That they had to drop the testosterone now to qualify in a particular time frame, such as 2 years.

It is rather telling though.

quantumbutterfly · 15/08/2024 08:56

Helleofabore · 15/08/2024 07:54

https://x.com/SenatorClaire/status/1823970278948606136

She continues to be insightful. She is much needed on this topic.

She is fantastic. Followed some of her TwiX feed down.ovaries of steel.

theilltemperedclavecinist · 15/08/2024 08:58

spannasaurus · 15/08/2024 08:39

Has anyone one wondered why Khelif's testosterone levels were being reduced when that wasn't even a condition of competing of this Olympics. To me it suggests that they expect that a new boxing regulator will allow males to compete in the female category if their testosterone level is below a certain level

Don't competitors get tested? Women have been disqualified for T-doping before (not the East German swimmers though: they would stop taking it just long enough beforehand not to get caught).

Helleofabore · 15/08/2024 09:04

theilltemperedclavecinist · 15/08/2024 08:58

Don't competitors get tested? Women have been disqualified for T-doping before (not the East German swimmers though: they would stop taking it just long enough beforehand not to get caught).

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They don’t get tested for naturally circulating testosterone though, do they? If there is a DSD issue, then testosterone testing would take that into consideration.

theilltemperedclavecinist · 15/08/2024 09:22

Helleofabore · 15/08/2024 09:04

They don’t get tested for naturally circulating testosterone though, do they? If there is a DSD issue, then testosterone testing would take that into consideration.

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How do they prove to the testers that the T is endogenous? Medical records? The ones revealing the existence of functional testes? How does anyone keep a straight face?

NoBinturongsHereMate · 15/08/2024 09:33

Ingenieur · 15/08/2024 08:33

I suppose this would be the only thing to derail the Khelif machine at this point, but I'm sure the TRAs and Khelif's supporters will find some labyrinthine doublethink to excuse it and continue the grift.

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Easy handwave. Had to say it to remain safe, given Algerian laws and attitudes.

RedToothBrush · 15/08/2024 09:39

theilltemperedclavecinist · 15/08/2024 08:58

Don't competitors get tested? Women have been disqualified for T-doping before (not the East German swimmers though: they would stop taking it just long enough beforehand not to get caught).

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Arh you have noticed the massive fuck off loophole. Coaches used to force doping. Now women aren't allowed to dope. But if a coach finds a male certified as a female with raised testosterone levels and greater physical size and strength that's fine.

And we wonder why there is an overrepresentation of DSDs in female sport and why the coaches are so fiercely arguing 'shes a woman'.

Don't worry soon males born male will be able to enter women's boxing because of an F their passport.

ChaChaChooey · 15/08/2024 09:52

QuimReaper · 14/08/2024 19:14

The London Review of Books has weighed in on this issue now, with the view that sex screening is racist.

It is no surprise, and certainly not a coincidence, that non-Western athletes have been unfairly and disproportionately targeted by eligibility rules. Compulsory gender testing was instituted as a result of Western European and US athletes being outperformed by their Eastern bloc competitors during the Cold War. Western media accused Eastern athletes of not being true women and threatening the integrity of their sports. Since the collapse of the Soviet Union, all the athletes who have been banned or restricted from competing internationally as women (that we know about; it’s supposed to be confidential) have been from the Global South.

Approvingly quotes Thomas Bach's 'they have female passports so are women' stance.

Opines that:

We should ask what being a woman means, how womanhood is defined, and against what (and whom) womanhood is ‘defended’. [...] We should interrogate the colonial roots of medical accounts of female and male embodiment, and the construction of femininity through (and conflation with) whiteness. We should listen to athletes whose womanhood is doubted not only because of their outstanding athletic performance, but because their bodies are at odds with Western notions of femininity. In 2009, when Semenya was banned from competing for eleven months after winning the 800m at the World Championships in Berlin, the head of South African athletics asked: ‘Who are white people to question the make-up of an African girl?’

https://www.lrb.co.uk/blog/2024/august/fair-competition?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20240814Blog&utm_content=20240814Blog+CID_80150067404a38bf3b491f1e8a3ae4f7&utm_source=LRB%20email&utm_term=Read%20more]]

The author of the above guff presented the following talk at an academic conference in Manchester (see screenshot).

Gonna go out on a limb here (pun intended) and say that women’s sporting federations should not give a shiny shit about criticism from someone who believes that objections to serious, life threatening self harm are motivated by prejudice against disabled people.

Makes you wonder if any of the subscribers to The Eunuch Maker’s live amputation webcasts were academics…

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Datun · 15/08/2024 10:30

ChaChaChooey · 15/08/2024 09:52

The author of the above guff presented the following talk at an academic conference in Manchester (see screenshot).

Gonna go out on a limb here (pun intended) and say that women’s sporting federations should not give a shiny shit about criticism from someone who believes that objections to serious, life threatening self harm are motivated by prejudice against disabled people.

Makes you wonder if any of the subscribers to The Eunuch Maker’s live amputation webcasts were academics…

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Makes you wonder if any of the subscribers to The Eunuch Maker’s live amputation webcasts were academics…

Totally. And I bet it's more prevalent than one would think.

I'm sure there was a movie about it a while back.

lcakethereforeIam · 15/08/2024 10:44

I can imagine IK, with his culture, having a bit of a dilemma finding a partner to settle down with. There's part who may truly believe he's female, they'll expect him to find a nice man to settle down with. He's now wealthy and famous, he's quite the catch. The part that know he's male, might not be able to stomach seeing him in a relationship with another man. Although, as massive hypocrites, perhaps some would be fine with it. But all of them? Then there are his natural inclinations, if he's not same sex attracted he may be in a bit of a bind.