Angela Carini to be awarded prize money by IBA

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Just thought I'd share this in it's own thread in case it gets lost in the other one.

It's still not right what's happened but I'm pleased to see this, the IBA know she was cheated!

Angela Carini to be awarded prize money by IBA despite Olympic loss to Imane Khelif | The Independent

But they can. To the extent they are sexed as female at birth. It's literally described in medical literature, which I have cited. I cannot possibly make this any clearer so I think it is time now for this discussion to draw to a close.

The information is easily acertainable and it is well understood how DSDs arise see here: https://static1.squarespace.com/static/6337427dc583e5578b5d2192/t/65c8ee1210f5ea02e0cdaabb/1707666963838/Sex+Development+Flow+Charts+2024.02.11.pdf

If a baby is born in a place with access to chromosomal and genetic testing any hint of ambiguity of the genitalia would be thoroughly investigated and it would be worked out what was going on. The issue is in poorer places with poorer access to healthcare of religious or political regime considerations where they will assume, rather than test. Why do you think the 5ARD athlete have all been scouted from poorer backgrounds? There are no controversial XY males in women's sports from N.A or Europe.

These are also people in their 20s and 30's born several decade agao when genetic testing was still expensive and time-consuming and only available in specialized labs. That is no longer the case. Every hospital now, pretty much, can process a cheek swab or other sample to look at chromosomes under the microscope and determine whether XX, XY or some abnormal number of pair 23 sex chromosomes are present. The number of babies born and wrongly assigned sex or not noticed that there was a DSD must be vanishingly small, even in poorer countries. Babies not born in hospital, yeah maybe, but it certainly isn't unknowable. And any parent notcing that their daughter doesn't menstruate at puberty must, now, even if they deny it to themselves, know that something is up.

And you don''t get to decide when discussions are over I am afraid, and this one will run and run.

Yes and their amended statement was a powerful statement in favour of women (the actual female type) in boxing, and reiterated that they did not support cross sex boxing.

Which incidentally just again goes to prove that Khelif is male, otherwise they wouldn't have felt the need to reiterate that.

Go the IBA!

In addition to this high quality ultrasonic scanning is available and will pick up organ anomies at 20+ weeks. If there is any suspicion of abnormalities referral to specialist centres are available.
Twenty years ago I was in hospital with a mum expecting twins who knew that one of the twins had a hand abnormality. She was closely monitored because of an increase risk of related abnormalities. She knew at 20wks one hand was not developing normally.

The two of you may be understanding different things by the term genetalia.

An XY male with complete insensitivity to testosterone/androgens may be born with their crotch area looking very much like the female area, with no penis or testicles visible and an opening that looks like a vagina. They definitely would not have womb or ovaries but when a baby is born you aren't checking for womb/ovaries - it's just willy="It's a boy" no-willy="It's a girl".

I would understand someone claiming an XY person has female genitalia as referring solely to what is visible externally at a glance - obviously there would be clear differences inside.

Sorry posted too soon. And my subsequent post didn’t make sense hence edit.

I'm not surprised the IBA are acting. I don't know anything about them, so I can't say whether they are a reliable organisation or not - but they are getting a lot of flack and abuse online with the aim of discrediting them, so they will want to defend themselves without having to explictly reveal the results of the medical testing.

Thank you for explaining so clearly.
One thing I was wondering about lack of menstruation as a sign of a DSD was whether it might not also be common in female athletes with very low body fat, though being very thin may be more typical of runners. Perhaps though if a teen were so thin they would not be strong enough to be winning at boxing.

I am not suggesting thus is the case with Khelif, just wondering generally.

You are so rude. The poster is simply explaining that an XY baby whose body is formed like the one in the diagram could be taken to be a baby girl in the absence of other information.

Your tone is very aggressive indeed.