Angela Carini to be awarded prize money by IBA

[Fetlocksblowininthewind]

Just thought I'd share this in it's own thread in case it gets lost in the other one.

It's still not right what's happened but I'm pleased to see this, the IBA know she was cheated!

Angela Carini to be awarded prize money by IBA despite Olympic loss to Imane Khelif | The Independent

I'm Italian, in Italy right now and have a bubble of left wing friends whom I have argued with about this.
I'm quite a left-winger, normally one who can't see the "trans danger" highlighted on this board, and find the MN feminism a bit extreme, BUT this case just doesn't sound right to me.

Angela Carini has now become here a symbol of the right wing government for both sides. This exploitation also irritates me.

Still don't know what to think but inwardly pleased by this news.

amy broadhurst is one of them. no idea how to check trans thing.

Yes that's the one, I don't know how to link the others or I would.

Questions are good for sure. It is a sorry mess, it's a bad week for women. And I am thankful for all the posters who take the time to explain things and share their expertise.

Thanks for sharing your view. What is being said in Italy? Do you mind if I ask you, do you think Angela was forced to apologise?

Bollocks.

I think that is indeed the issue.

karina ibragimova is another. fun fact, she beat the taiwanese boxer also: https://el.kz/en/karina-ibragimova-to-represent-kazakhstan-in-world-boxing-championships-finals_68917/

The losses can be explained by the talent of the very best female boxers.

Males who compete in female sport wouldn't cut it in the male competition because they're just not talented enough to make the cut. If they could it's guaranteed they'd be over there where the money and glory is 10 x more than in female sport.

Female sport is treated like a consolation prize for them but brute strength will only take you so far in some events and against some competitors. A small number of women will be so talented in their field they can compensate for his strength by outmanoeuvring him in other ways.

However that doesn't take away from all the women these men do harm and the places, medals, prize money etc. they also take along the way.

They should not ever be in the female competition regardless of a few losses.

I know it's silly of me but I wish we could leave political sides out of it. For me it's about reality, telling the truth and protecting females.

Be kind has been leveraged against us (everyone but particularly women), and as predicted the goalposts just keep shifting don't they?

The path was predictable and now males can self ID into being able to physically beat up women as a sport, cheered on by the unthinking masses.

Slow claps all round to everyone who allowed this to happen.

We can be compassionate people and still avoid throwing safeguarding completely out the window can't we? I mean we can put people on the moon and do other incredible things that used to be considered science fiction these days, but apparently we collectively became so open minded our brains fell out.

May I also ask what about MN feminism is extreme to you? Genuinely curious.

I haven't seen anyone here suggesting violence of any kind (which I consider extreme), what I do see is women who have had a lot of experience and knowledge of male violence who advocate strongly for women and children - usually with a well behaved protest or strong campaign of letter writing.

We wish to hold the lines and boundaries of safeguarding for women and children - a reasonable boundary at that.

What I see from the TRA/MRA side, on the other hand, is frankly terrifying and is what I would consider extreme.

And either way, even if they'd lost 100% of their fights against women it does not make them female.

A lack of Y chromosomes is what does that.

Being bad at a particular sport should not be what makes someone eligible to fight in the women's category.

Her opponent has a DSD. It really is that simple. He has a DSD that makes him appear to be female. The answer is that the authority running the Olympics have a proper DNA test done, AND publish the results. It's totally unfair to women to allow him to box against them.

https://x.com/Slatzism/status/1819427537740558848?t=HPEwqwFd_1DSI4ouPngK7Q&s=19
I found this thread the most informative as it puts straight all the misinformation posted online.
The IOC have behaved disgracefully on this imo.

Oh and to add to what I said above it's a zero sum game for women because a few wins against one or two men will very quickly turn around into total destruction when more and more men get through as 'female'.

One or two males in a competition can be mitigated for a little bit but what happens when half the competitors are male, a third or 3/4? Where does it end up?

Thank you!

Yes this is a really good set of tweets! Very clearly lays it all out.

I hope Datun won't mind me c&p her post from the other thread but it's a great response to this. She wrote the following:

And to head off the constant barrage of 'but they didn't win', 'they have been beaten', what does it matter,

By that logic we should only be excluding men who are really good!

And let crap male athletes proliferate throughout women's sport!!!

Come on, you outstanding female athletes. Fucking move over for mediocre men who can't cut it otherwise.

Honestly, sexism on steroids is the driver behind all these people.

This propaganda of the ignorant is outrageous.

Absolutely!

Thank you. Thank you.

FWIW, I have been having a discussion over a long period of time with a young man who has a DSD. He is very upset and angry because ignorant people keep telling him that he is female. No matter how many times he tells them what the DSD actually does to his body, they just won't listen! Be kind! Huh!

agree, just thought it was funny that ibragimova beat both of them. now i'm sad that she lost her first fight and is out of the paris games.
all known trans athletes are at best on the low side of mediocre men. if someone really good decides that he is a woman it would be a murder. i don't think these two or some other athletes with rare genetical conditions are in the same league of depravity as "lia" thomas but they have no place in women's sport. doesn't matter how many fights they loose.

What I'd really like to see is for all the male boxers to stand up and be counted with the female boxers to protest this.

I don't think it should be left to the females to self exclude as I've seen a few times, I think that could easily just lead to no women's sports at all.

We need everyone who stands for fairness and reality to stand up and be counted. Courage calls to courage.

Oh and to add to what I said above it's a zero sum game for women because a few wins against one or two men will very quickly turn around into total destruction when more and more men get through as 'female'.

One or two males in a competition can be mitigated for a little bit but what happens when half the competitors are male, a third or 3/4? Where does it end up?

This.

It ends up with no women bothering with sport. It cant even go underground.

There will be no grassroots womens sports in 4 or 5 years. Why bother, you'll rarely win against a man. You'll have to practice with men and boys. You'll have to get changed with men and boys etc.

We will collectively now try to regain womens sports (and it angers me we have to) and fail because this is only the beginning. Itll take a tipping point and we are not yet at that point. By the time we win, we will have lost so much ground. It takes years to get to Olympic standard. We will have to start again, gaining money, time, trainers, grounds to train in. All the rest of the stuff.
God I'm heartbroken today.

i don't think these two or some other athletes with rare genetical conditions are in the same league of depravity as "lia" thomas.

Nor do I, and I agree and feel sympathetic, especially given Khelif’s background in Algeria. I am sure she believes what she’s been brought up and taught and told to believe about herself, much during her early childhood, no doubt in good faith by those who told her she was a girl - though coaches might have known she might have a DSD as time went on.

But this is all the more reason for the IOC to have clear tests ( no need for genital inspections, nor was there ever) and to arrange alternative competitions.

I am deeply sceptical of Khelif's entire claimed backstory.

That is a magnificent tweet thread.

Thanks.