Angela Carini to be awarded prize money by IBA

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Just thought I'd share this in it's own thread in case it gets lost in the other one.

It's still not right what's happened but I'm pleased to see this, the IBA know she was cheated!

Angela Carini to be awarded prize money by IBA despite Olympic loss to Imane Khelif | The Independent

Me too.

FWIW @ScrollingLeaves and I apologise in advance in a sorry not sorry kind of way, but I don't think it's helpful to continue calling Khelif she, it just continues to perpetuate the confusion around the fact that this person is male and not female.

I think that they both will have known since puberty that they are in fact male. I also think that given they were tested in (IIRC) 2023 (and also IIRC there were other road bumps over this previously) they have known for at the very least since they were tested by the IBA.

I find it incredibly hard to believe they have got this far not knowing.

I agree.

I'm unsympathetic to "what about how this person was brought up" arguments I keep seeing. So what?

If someone has been brought up to believe material reality is something else, why is it incumbent on the rest of us to keep up the pretence? It isn't.

He and the IOC are instructing the entire globe to keep up a false construct.

NO.

Helen Joyce is on LBS now, talking to Vanessa Feltz about this.

LBC I mean. The woman who is talking now is disgraceful.

Do people really believe that a female, in a rural community in Algeria, would be allowed to train in boxing, if they had not obviously been through male puberty? Seriously?

Quite. If Mike Tyson had been made to wear a dress and Mary Janes when he was a child I wouldn’t allow him into women’s boxing.

Is basic biology not taught in schools now?

Vanessa Feltz is massively TWAW. I wonder if this is giving her pause for thought?

Indeed, once they knew (and I am certain they knew well before last years testing) then ok it might be difficult to believe and your whole life has been a lie, but we dont need to continue colluding in that lie.
You go and get counselling, you "reframe your trauma " whatever gets you to the point you need to be at. You do not go into the ring to fight a woman.

I believe Caitlyn Jenner (who was of course a hugely successful olympic athlete and now very publicly transitioned) is a very controversial figure in trans activism because Caitlyn does not think it is correct to allow a blanket “trans women are women so of course they can compete in women’s sports”.
Nice to hear some sort of consideration for fairness.

God there are some really, really stupid, men calling in.

I am so cross my commas are in the wrong place.

👏🏽 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

Khelif was born a woman, has female body parts and has lost plenty more fights against women than she's won.

Khelif has lost 9 fights out of 50 I think. As for the rest, it's your pure speculation.

A woman being bigger than another woman means she's 'cheating'?? Talk about a bunch of snowflakes. Must we also cancel Serena Williams for being too powerful? Simone Biles because her petite size helps her in her sport?? Any woman with PCOS who has higher testosterone levels???

They're all female, HTH.

Do people really believe that a female, in a rural community in Algeria, would be allowed to train in boxing, if they had not obviously been through male puberty? Seriously?

I know!

It is the level of ignorance that is actually frightening.

Does Khelif wear hijab? Most women do in Algeria. Not the niqab but surely they should wear hijab?

https://x.com/hazelappleyard/status/1819769897997521229?s=46&t=WHoOZZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

I think if I had been in Imam Kalif’s shoes I would have suppressed any hint of the knowledge. It would have been too horrifying. Then as time went on I would have been relieved to be told by coaches and the IOC that I was a really a woman, and let it slide. I am sure I too would have been weak, especially with my country counting on me and the possibility of my masculinity being taboo in my society.

That's why it should not be up to someone like Khalif.

As everyone here on this thread mostly knows Iman is XY, I did not think it would be confusing to say ‘she’ about this person who genuinely thought they were a woman for so long.

I had written ‘they’ at first, and thought of ‘he’ too and usually write those. Somehow though it did not feel quite right here where the point was what Khalif’s point of view might have been.

I think that they both will have known since puberty that they are in fact male. I also think that given they were tested in (IIRC) 2023 (and also IIRC there were other road bumps over this previously) they have known for at the very least since they were tested by the IBA.
This.

Transwoman on now.

x.com/twinnmama6/status/1819775100973113736?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

Absolutely!!!

Vanessa fawning like mad.

Well, that sums up his own opinion as to the fact he's a man.