I have never felt a punch like this’ – Carini

[Omlettes]

Words fail I'm so angry, but by god she is brave.
Personally I feel sick and 'triggered' it reminds me of the first time an ex punched me on the thigh, I couldnt get over how much it hurt or the enormous bruise from knee to hip. I know there is a general thread on this but its so important it deserves multiple threads. I hope Carinis decision to stop the fight so very publicly makes a difference.
Meanwhile Khelif crows “I am here for gold,” “I will fight anybody, I will fight them all.”
Not the REMOTEST hint of sportsmanlike conduct.
I vote we write to VIiner en masse and lay some responsibility at her feet.
Actually EVERY editor, The Indy NYT WAPO etc
I am incandescent

I feel awful for Khelif here. Not her fault they let her compete and so she did.
Waily fucking wail.
HE chose to.
HE must know what his hormones and chromosomes are.
Very unfortunate for HIM, it is true, but that is no reason for HIM to go and beat the shit out of Angela Carini.

Sex is binary. And then there are DSDs.

"Sex runs the gamut"
What utter and complete rubbish, six years too late.
Developemental disorders makes no difference to your biological sex,
and its so offensive to those who have them to keep banging on ignorantly about it and using them as cannon fodder when trying to guilt women into submission.
How would you like it?

To be clear DSDs make NO difference to sex being binary.
It absolutely is his choice to compete especially after already being banned previously.
He is gaming the system.

Just to be clear, this isn't alwys the case.

Google Swyer syndrome. Functioning vagina, womb etc but XY

Again, utterly irrelvant to this scenario.
Stop trying to derail the thread.

If you look at the full range of reporting you will note that they were chromosomally tested a couple of years ago - found to be XY - and subsequently banned from female competitions.....until the IOC took charge of proceedings.

Yes, of course.
I just meant that DSDs add confusion.
Sex in binary first. DSDs come along afterwards.

You seem determined to believe that this man is a woman,I don't think there's a source on the planet that would convince you otherwise.

And yet earlier you were soooo puzzled about it all

Absolutely this

So it's okay, is it, for someone full of testosterone and with a male physique and wingspan to knock seven bells out of a woman because the IOC says he's female?

He's an absolute dick, he grabbed her breast after the match was over!

https://x.com/nicholelizaq/status/1819035576559120743?t=nSHvhDH9k014NU12PFc5Zw&s=19

How is it possible that under the link I gave you that you could still carry on ?
You are clearly in bad faith
Read the article where your tactics are diuscussed.

"She" also refers to Allah willing " her" to win the golden one 🙄🙄🙄

https://x.com/nicholelizaq/status/1819035576559120743?s=19&t=nSHvhDH9k014NU12PFc5Zw
There you go muffinmum showing his 'intersex' credentials grabbing her tit to humiliate her as well.

Ok sorry for derailing, wasn't my intention. You'll see my first post I genuinely just asked where it's said that this person was born male, as I can't find a source. The rest got sidetracked.

There's no man braver than a man who beats up women.

What a piece of work.

And that goes for the Olympics Committee who are doing their best to nudge women out of sport.

There are countries with athletics boards who are pretty much deliberately scouting for young people with DSDs - mysteriously all of whom seem to be XY - who can then be entered in female competitions. It’s horribly unfair on women.

I’m astonished by the utter lack of coverage of the issues raised by this fight, on the BBC news website.

Did this boxer have a vagina at birth ? If so she is a woman. What is the problem ?

I do think there is a need for more clarity in the reporting. These boxers are male. They have XY chromosomes. They were born with ambiguous genitalia arising from a chemical condition affecting development called Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome. and were then mistaken for females. They have internal undescended testes. No female sex organs (no womb, ovaries, fallopian tubes). They don't have vaginas either. They have short blind channels with an opening under a tiny penis that could be mistaken for a clitoris (but is not a clitoris). At puberty, they progress in strength, bone and muscle mass in line with other males. This is when the underlying condition is usually recognised. By that point they have often been raised as "girls", so have an internal sense of themselves as female. But tragically they are not in fact female. Many continue to live as female, especially taking account the fact that their genitals more closely resemble that of women than that of men.

It is bonkers for the IOC out of some misguided idea of inclusion to let males with this condition box with woman. It is dangerous and defies any sporting intention.

I'm male. I couldn't box in the Olympics because I'm slow and overweight. The fact is these two competitors are not Olympic level boxers either. They wouldn't come close to qualifying for the men's competition (just like me). Them taking part in the female competition is not a legitimate way around those sporting shortcomings.

It is astonishing that the IOC is incapable of seeing how this scandal has completely undermined the entire boxing competition.

Khelif was found to have XY chromosomes and disqualified for it last year, and accepted the reasoning, yet STILL chose to go ahead and enter into women's boxing at the Olympics this year knowing they had an unfair biological advantage over their opponents. It's abhorrent.

muffinmum91

Sex runs the gamut, no matter what people think.
It doesn't. Sex is a biological process involving the fusion of two gametes (a sperm and an egg) to create a new being. The sexes are the two types of any creature which we recognise as male or female depending on which of the gametes they produce.
Males are the ones which produce the small gametes (sperm). Females are the ones who produce the large gamete (eggs). Both gametes contain DNA but the large one also has a food store - the yolk, for example, in a hen's egg. If sex was on a spectrum, there would have to be other gametes halfway between or different in some way to the others. There aren't any - it's only two gametes everywhere in nature.

Even if you believe there are only two genders,
Genders are not what we are talking about here - male and female refer to sex.

do you go by genitals or chromosomes? Because you know they can be different?
In humans the male gametes carry either an x or a y chromosome and a gene called the SRY gene, located on the Y chromosome. This is what decides the sex of the embryo. As soon as the sperm and egg fuse, the zygote (the fused cells) is either male or female depending on which chromosome the particular sperm carried.

The sexual development of a child in the womb follows one pathway if male and a different pathway if female. In very rare cases, things can go wrong and the sexual development can go awry - this is what a DSD is. However, all DSDs are sex-specific. Only male embryos get some conditions, only female embryos get others. Only a small proportion of DSDs result in ambiguous genitals or sex organs. For example, a very common male DSD is hypospadias - when the opening of the urethra comes short of the end of the penis.
A person with a DSD can develop non-functional sex organs of the opposite sex but what cannot happen is that the embryo actually develops into the opposite sex - in other words, it cannot develop the gametes which the opposite sex would produce.

Unless the male embryo has a condition called CAIS, the child goes through an almost normal male puberty.
It's important to understand that it is the sex of the embryo (fixed at conception) which determines the sexual development pathway. It's not the case that sexual organs or characteristics just develop randomly.

Can I point out that Khelif and Lin, the other boxer, were sex-tested by the IBA and accepted the chromosomal tests as accurate. XY is bog standard male. I posted the statement of the IBA upthread.

I feel awful for Khelif here. Not her fault they let her compete and so she did.
I don't feel awful for him, but the IOC are culpable for enabling him.

I agree, the number of DSD claiming to be women does seem to have jumped recently, it could state sponsored cheating, just like East Germany in the 80's.