I have never felt a punch like this’ – Carini

[Omlettes]

Words fail I'm so angry, but by god she is brave.
Personally I feel sick and 'triggered' it reminds me of the first time an ex punched me on the thigh, I couldnt get over how much it hurt or the enormous bruise from knee to hip. I know there is a general thread on this but its so important it deserves multiple threads. I hope Carinis decision to stop the fight so very publicly makes a difference.
Meanwhile Khelif crows “I am here for gold,” “I will fight anybody, I will fight them all.”
Not the REMOTEST hint of sportsmanlike conduct.
I vote we write to VIiner en masse and lay some responsibility at her feet.
Actually EVERY editor, The Indy NYT WAPO etc
I am incandescent

Some want to own a definition of who is a woman.”

He and the whole IOC can comprehensively go and fuck themselves.

That neatly summarises my feelings.

Haven't RTFT but there is a good podcast on this on Unherd, complete with an academic who understands the role of hormones.

With knobs on!

Exactly this.

The Science of Sport podcast is excellent too.

Infuriating arrogance, it makes my palm itch to make contact with his face.
And when are we going to turn the tables and start talking about what is a Man, and own it ladies?
On their basis we know far more about men than they do.
I vote we do it, we turn them into a nebulous undefined ever shifting pointless category.

The thing is that, with the exception of Freemasonry and gay saunas, us waltzing in to their spaces doesn't put them at physical risk the way that them waltzing into ours puts us at risk. So redefining "man" doesn't harm them.

Exactly. There's unlikely to be any snuck in under the radar XX people in the male olympic competitions and even if the IOC deliberately put them there it wouldn't spoil anything for the men.

I suppose it might be vaguely comical to watch a supposedly elite 'male' runner a lap behind everyone else and all the eye rolling the men would do.

the amount of propaganda beings pumped out of media outlets is staggering. Absolute full propaganda machine.

A lot of people enjoy torture porn and there is a lot of money in it. That does not make it acceptable.

Oh my lord that last line

That’s a man saying that right? I can’t even

Boxing isn't even remotely comparable to torture porn, or indeed any other kind of porn. One clue to this is how the version of boxing featuring men is valued more highly than the version featuring women. With porn, it is usually women's bodies that command the higher price tag.

@UpThePankhurst sorry if my post was unclear. I was quoting the IOC in that "inclusivity" is their number 1 goal.

I completely disagree as I think their goal should be safety as fairness of sex based competitions

Sadly, one of the blokes is now guaranteed a medal. He must realise that he was disqualified as a man previously, so therefore dodgy that now he's OK to beat up women. What a fickle he is.

Forcing a young woman to be beaten by a man in front of a live audience is pretty damn close to torture porn.

Which is why most posters on this thread disapprove of the IOC's decisions.

Reposting this
Have you all seen this excellent essay from the Co owner of Reduxx who first broke this story?
She adresses all the bullshit.
In arguing with those wether in bad faith or ignorant, this is all you need.
www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5134185-co-owner-of-reddux-writes-a-timeline-of-the-growing-discussion-around-iba-truth-and-ioc-truth?reply=137283617

You need help

Unfortunately, even when people can clearly see what is in front of their eyes, there are many who will go along with the lie that 2 + 2 = 5. This is now more than evident.

The sport in which damage is most likley - boxing - is used as the ultimate prototype/test run for getting people to go along with the utterly unacceptable. This is why the BBC actually showed yesterday's bout.....to normalise it, and to train people not to question it.

Quite so. It's strategic.

Remember the TA, a woman who claims to be a man, whose name escapes me, who was determined to get men into women's prisons because if we accepted that we would accept anything?

My thoughts exactly. If people will cheer and clap as a male boxes a female and takes away her chance of Olympic success, they'll certainly be accepting of males in every other sport.

"My transgender cat identifies as black and acts Chinese"

But its true however bluntly put.

We are talking about the power of the male punch 160% more than a womans. And womens bones are much less strong. Something Carrini can attest to as can many women, but apparently you cant.

Nor have the ability or willingness or empathy to imagine.
Maybe its you that needs help.

Duracell bunny

This can't be repeated enough,the issue of how he was raised is completely irrelevant.
Human beings cannot change sex;drugs won't do it,surgery won't do it and neither will a frilly dress and ribbons in his hair.