Slaughtering women & girls is *not* terrorism, according to the police

[YellowAsteroid]

Well, what is it then, when women & girls are targeted because they are specifically girls & women ?

Just your common or garden slaughter?

I'm so so angry about the way in which the regular murder of girls & women because they are female is not seen as political, or a terrorist action.

Sigh. This suspect is British-born to Rwandan parents, so probably Christian.

Desist with the Muslim- and Arab-bashing.

MN will only delete what is reported. They should be deleted though. Perhaps you should be responsible and report them yourself in order to 'have justice'.

I didn't report your first post. I have reported subsequent ones.

If you have an issue take it up with MNHQ.

I did not comment on who it was at all in any way, just said I personally don't think there is any excuse for an act that is so evil. And in fact all the people saying 'mental health' could be a reason are surely speculating and therefore prejudicing the investigation?

Terrorism is unlawful violence with ideological or political aims. Misogyny is an ideology. The killing of women and girls because they are women and girls is therefore terrorism.

I would support a campaign: Violence against women is Terrorism. Does anyone know if something like this exists yet?

I never mentioned anyone's religion. I have no idea what religion they were.

We have examples of incel killings with manifestos.

No, you just took pains to list two Arabic names. I recognise a dogwhistle when I see it.

Thank you OP. I agree. Also in the news today:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cv2gy5d2zgzo

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cv2gyj6djd0o

Making misogyny a hate crime would help. Calling "incel" a terrorist movement would help. Cracking down on violent and degrading streaming porn would help. Basically just stopping pretending these are "isolated incidents" too.

Its very depressing.

I named the attackers. Was I not supposed to??

I don't get where you're coming from to be honest.

What are you trying to hide?

Also, wouldn't you hear a dog-whistle rather than see it? 🤔

Violence against women is far more wide ranging than terrorism. For it to be terrorism you have to subscribe and actively follow a set of beliefs.

Femicide isn't terrorism because it is a reflection of societies' culture.

You downplay its signifigance to say it is terrorism which is primarily about one set of male beliefs against another.

Femicide is about ALL of societies' culture. It isn't just about incels lurking in cyber space.

In qualifying femicide as terrorism you let the compliance of society as whole towards men's contempt for women go unchallenged.

To say it is terrorism is to say it is only a subset of men.

That's why femicide isn't terrorism.

Femicide is a society wide problem and cant just be filed away as just about a minority group with strange beliefs.

Femicide is the acted manifestation of a society wide problem.

To make it terrorism is to allow society to opt out of its society wide complicity.

Wtf?
Did you not see my comment where I said my very close family relative is schizophrenic and had to be sectioned and was in a mental hospital for years? And then you leave a stupid disrespectful comment like that

Since you named one attacker in Dublin, you could have named the taxi driver who was recently convicted of raping two women, and police think he may have carried out more rapes; he also raped a 7-year-old girl a few days after her mother's funeral, and went on to further abuse her.
Unlike Riad Bouchaker, he is 100% Irish and his name is Raymond Shorten. Like Riad Bouchaker, he is a man.

Who did he kill?

You listed Arabic names in the same post as using the term "terrorist" to describe knife attacks on school children, on a thread about a mass murder suspect who has been misnamed on TwiX with a made-up Arabic name that the police have said is not the name of the suspect. That looks an awful lot to me like you are trying to insinuate that Arabic people are engaging in terrorist attacks against children.

The terrorism is male violence against women and children. Male violence transcends race and religion.

And no, you wouldn't hear an actual dogwhistle unless your name was Rover. The figurative dogwhistle in writing is something that you'd describe as seeing or reading.

The poster was talking about men who killed/attempted to kill children. What has a rapist dubliner got to do with it?

I'm still not understanding why I can't talk about those specific cases. Is it because they are what you're calling Arabic? I'm not allowed to talk about them?

There have been three knife attacks on groups of children in the past 13 months and you're telling me I can't talk about that or mention the attackers names??

Well said 👏

Saying someone is evil might prejudice a trial. You can say whatever you like after a trial with a guilty verdict.

Yeah, that's bollocks. Saying that an child murderer is evil on an internet chat forum is not going to prejudice a trial.

I understand MN have to be careful about the speculation thing because as a forum they can be held responsible. But I don't see any reason to censor opinions such as 'he's evil'.

My problem with making misogyny a hate crime is that most police forces are "captured" into thinking that men who say they're women are actually women.

So women could actually find themselves charged with misogyny as a hate crime for naming a man to be a man.

Until we get that sorted out, I can live with misogyny not being a hate crime because I think it would be used against women.

But also meant to say, thanks everyone, for all the views, feelings and ideas on this thread. It's a robust & powerful discussion, whatever your point of view.

Yes!

As @Hoardasurass says that is only just scraping the surface of Incel culture.

They want to legalise rape & incest and advocate for all sorts of other horrific and disgusting things.

They are bloody terrifying!

Yeah, apparently it's racist to talk about cases where Arabic men have killed women and girls. I don't get it, either.

If this attack is motivated by ideology, it's highly likely to be either Islam or Incel. But we're only allowed to talk about one of those things. Bit of a fucked up set of priorities.

Totally, posters turning themselves inside out to deflect from what is an obvious pattern. Whilst they may have the best of intentions the end result is more women and girls in danger. Exactly what happened with the grooming gangs.

I was absolutely sickened reading the thread about the grown man who punched his 11 year old sister in the head causing her death. So many posters talking absolute nonsense to minimize, excuse and explain away.

I agree. Especially since many of the people who are keen to make misogyny a hate crime are super keen to class men as women.