Slaughtering women & girls is *not* terrorism, according to the police

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Well, what is it then, when women & girls are targeted because they are specifically girls & women ?

Just your common or garden slaughter?

I'm so so angry about the way in which the regular murder of girls & women because they are female is not seen as political, or a terrorist action.

Of course it’s Islamophobia.
You should be ashamed.
You are conflating two other attacks by muslim individuals, with this attack by an unknown (non white) minor.
If the boy was white European who would you be blaming then?

I think femicide should be used. Terrorism is easy to put in a box, "can't do anything about that because it's about government decisions". Femicide puts the focus back on the victims - that they are female and targeted because of it.

He didn't kill anyone, as far as we know. Just raped a seven year old girl and an indeterminate number of women. Riad Bouchaker didn't kill anyone either.

No but that wasn't for lack of trying.

Please refer to the thread title and have a good think about yourself and your namalting.

What NAMALTing?

I think if 3 primary aged children doing a summer workshop are stabbed to death and people commenting that this is an evil thing to do risks the perpetrator getting away with it, then the legal system in this country is irrevocably broken.

Of course people are going to comment at an absolutely horrific crime. Do the victims' families have to pussyfoot around too? Or are they allowed to say the person who killed their child is evil? Are they allowed to vent their rage and grief, or does that risk the perpetrator walking free too?

Oh friends, I'm not sure if you've seen the riots occurring outside the southport mosque, a police van has allegedly been set on fire.
100s of men rioting, drinking and damaging their community after an already devastating time.
I wonder how many women will be injured tonight as a result of violence from drunken thugs.

Things are so fucking brutal in this climate.

The problem is the presumption of guilt inherent in such a comment.

A legal system that works well is one in which innocent people are rarely wrongfully convicted and have plenty of chance to appeal if they are. This means a presumption of innocence for all suspects, even in cases where there are lots of eye witnesses and evidence.

Me? NAMALTING? I think you've misread my post!

I just turned on the TV News from the UK - a mosque in Southport under attack.
Men rioting.

Have you noticed- the 'wrong' football team wins - men riot.
The 'wrong' candidate wings - men riot.
Foreign men are due to be housed in an area - men riot.
Police intervene in a situation, rightly or wrongly - men riot.
Police don't intervene in a situation, rightly or wrongly - men riot.
A man kills children - men riot.

Saying that the act and whoever did it is evil isn't naming anyone. It's saying the act itself is evil and anyone proven (in a court of law) of doing it is also evil.

It's doesn't assume guilt of any individual. It does assume that anyone who is proved to have murdered 3 primary aged children via stabbing is evil. We're lost if we can't recognise basic right from wrong nor voice it and that's probably a big part of the problem. How can children learn right from wrong if the adults can't comment 'murdering people is bad, this is bad'.

The primary motive was race/ religion though. Not being male.
Not that it makes it any less terrible.

Killing all the men and boys and taking the women and girls as rape slaves is a common means of genocide. And that's exactly what happened at Srebrenica. These men and boys were targeted because they were Bosniaks, not because they were male. The women and girls were targeted because they were Bosniaks. Their treatment varied by sex because the Serbs saw the women as property to be taken and raped, not people.

I'm just so fucking sick of male violence.

There was a really interesting BBC documentary series about The Troubles in Ireland. One of the things that struck me is how it just escalated and escalated and escalated. Years and years of awfulness because men just can't stop being fucking violent.

I'm with you about the awfulness of male violence, but to be fair there was a bit more to the Troubles in Northern Ireland than just that... don't forget that the campaign for basic civil rights for Catholics started out in 1968 with a deliberate policy of non-violence, modelled on the Civil Rights movement in the USA and taking inspiration from Martin Luther King. Unfortunately the other side didn't share that policy.

But it is not terrorism, it is a million other things but it is no terrorism having a tantrum and trying to label something that it isn't doesn't help the victim's or anyone

We. Do. Not. Yet. Know. Anything.

End of.

And the far right protesters who have invaded the Southport vigil are the scum of this country.

BBC "the suspect has no known links to Islam".

Why do people get so hung up on whether something is considered terrorism or not? It has a very specific definition, just because an event isn't classed as terrorism it doesn't mean it's any less awful.

Local news has reported that he 'had no known links to Islam', was a quiet boy who spent a lot of time at home.

(This was verbal so can't link).

He will be one of many kids who have been radicalised whether by religion, sex, violence etc.

Whatever it is I have no words to describe how it makes me feel. Those innocent girls.

And yet the right wing, the EDL, are rioting. Mostly men.
There's a common theme - men.

I really dislike this.

By saying that ALL men benefit from an attack like this, includes the fathers and other male family members of those murdered.

After yesterday I'm far more worried about my dd than my ds. I mean, I always was, but now even more so. 😞

Absolutely, I didn't mean to imply it was all about men being violent - there's a lot of history and awful injustice there, but the documentary really showed this escalation e.g. the guy who started shooting up a funeral was particularly striking.

With the Stockport riots, I get the same vibe. Mothers want to mourn the loss of their babies, but their feelings are being overshadowed by the anger of men.

Mothers want to mourn the loss of their babies, but their feelings are being overshadowed by the anger of men.

I'm sure the dads are pretty distraught too.

Of course the dads are pretty distraught 🙄