Slaughtering women & girls is *not* terrorism, according to the police

[YellowAsteroid]

Well, what is it then, when women & girls are targeted because they are specifically girls & women ?

Just your common or garden slaughter?

I'm so so angry about the way in which the regular murder of girls & women because they are female is not seen as political, or a terrorist action.

Terrorism has a political aim doesn't it?

Violence has lots of causes, just because it isn't terrorism doesn't mean it is less awful.

And it's not political to kill women & girls because they're women & girls?

I think that's my point. It happens so regularly, and each time, police & the legal system treat each incident as a one-off, a surprise, a shock.

If we reframe this, and see this as deliberate femicide, we might see it more clearly, and therefore be able to do something about it.

Yes, I agree how can we address the issue if we aren’t labelling it. I am very worried for girls in a way that I don’t think my parents were worried about me as the incel hateful talk is terrifying!

I guess I'm just feeling that awful combination of pessimism and anger. I used to be so optimistic about the positive changes for girls & women I've seen in my lifetime. But we're seeing the lava of misogyny breaking through a crust of civility too often.

I've come to think that we have to see femicide as the "normal" and stop framing each event as "shocking" and an "exception." It's the norm, actually.

All murder is terrorism then, surely?

It's specifically targeting female events, just like the Ariana Grande concert.

Men from some cultures don't believe female should be allowed to do activities such as dancing or listening to music.

Incel culture has many "political aims" I'd suggest that you read some of their group chats but there isn't enough mind bleach in the world for that crap.
1 of their political aims is to legalise rape

Do we know the 'reasoning' behind the stabbings yet?
I don't think we should just assume that because it was girls it was because they were girls iyswim?

Do you mean the incel culture -uncle ideology has become mainstream, it is accepted as ok to spout this hateful stuff.

incel not ‘uncle’

Goodness! Really, from one of the threads today I looked at the hatred for TS online from incel people - I don’t realise that vitriol involved.

I agree @YellowAsteroid. This happens too often. We need to label it and call it out at every opportunity. It is absolutely evil.

Actually I think for the arguments you put forward, it detracts from the whole problem by calling it terrorism because it immediately puts it into a different box and detracts from it specifically being focused on the violence/murder of women and girls.

It is terrorism because it’s targeting a particular group and there are political aims to degrade and control that group. How is that not terrorism ?

Can anybody think of an incident where men and boys have been specifically targeted? Because I can't.
And I don't mean soldiers or police, who all happened to be men, but targeted because they were male.

Terrorism is "the use of violence against non-combatants to achieve political or ideological aims."

So unless he had some political or ideological aim it wouldn't be designated a terrorist attack.

Doesn't make it any less horrific.

I don’t understand why the sex of victims is not an aggravating factor of violent crimes in the same way as ethnicity or religious affiliation or sexuality can be.

I suppose I was thinking that if, say the bombing of the Grande concert had been aimed at people of a specific race, it would be regarded as terrorism.

But slaughter targeted at a specific sex is just "oops, that is awful. Our thoughts & prayers etc etc" Then next week, "oops, that is awful. Our thoughts & prayers etc etc" then the week after "oops, that is awful. Our thoughts & prayers etc etc"

On and on.

If putting this starkly and extremely gives us all pause to think about what is happening, maybe that's a good thing ...?

Genuinely cannot think of an example where a woman has killed a group of men or boys because they are male? Sadly I can think of numerous incidents other way round 😢

Indeed.

You surely know that 'Terrorism' implies a political motive?

Isn’t it always politically motivated? Have you looked at the Iranian regime?

What??? Seriously? They actually argue a woman should not be entitled to say no to sex?

I suppose I was thinking that if, say the bombing of the Grande concert had been aimed at people of a specific race, it would be regarded as terrorism.

No, it would have been a Hate crime, if it were based on race.

The Grande concert atrocity was Terrorism because it was based on a political ideology.

Terrorist offences go down a different legal route. And as said upstream, unless it’s to further a stated aim, it’s not terrorism. If you are killing einen, girls or black people because you hate them, it’s a hate crime, but not terrorism unless you are doing it to further a cause (e.g. Islamism, animal rights, etc)