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TWO “Female Boxers” Set To Compete At Paris 2024 Were Previously Disqualified From Women’s World Championship For Having “XY Chromosomes”

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Signalbox · 28/07/2024 07:31

Surely this cannot be true. In boxing of all sports. I thought boxing had told men they needed to compete with other men?

”Two athletes competing at the Paris Olympics as “women” were previously disqualified from a women’s world championship for having “XY chromosomes.” Imane Khelif of Algeria and Lin Yu-Ting of Taiwan are scheduled to compete in Olympic women’s boxing next week despite past questions surrounding their biological sex.”

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MoleAtTheCounter · 30/07/2024 15:56

murasaki · 29/07/2024 22:11

Well of course they're not pregnant. Can't think why that might be.

I’m not oppressing you Stan: you haven’t got a womb. Where’s the foetus going to gestate? You gonna keep it in a box?

SabrinaThwaite · 30/07/2024 16:01

So … Lin Yu-Ting competed in the women’s featherweight boxing in Tokyo, finishing equal ninth (eliminated in first round) and Imane Khelif finished 5th in the women’s lightweight division.

No wonder the IOC are doubling down.

WickedSerious · 30/07/2024 16:45

Mollyollydolly · 30/07/2024 13:52

Here is the IOC’s spokesman Mark Adams ⁦being questioned by Sean Ingle from the Guardian. Well worth watching the clip to see the moral bankruptcy of these people.

Before this statement he says it would be ‘invidious’ and ‘unfair’ on the male boxers in the women’s category to comment on them individually.

Adams said that the two boxers in question were designated as female on their passports. SO WHAT?

Adams then said that the boxers had competed as female previously. Again, SO WHAT?

Thirdly he argues it's 'incredibly complex'. NO IT REALLY ISN'T.

Fourthly he says that going through male puberty doesn't necessarily give an advantage. IN BOXING!!

Just watch his face in the clip. He knows it's bollox, he knows it's wrong. My contempt for these people knows no bounds.

https://x.com/JournalismSEEN/status/1818231160595493175

No man can be a woman,there's nothing 'incredibly complex' about it at all.

Omlettes · 30/07/2024 16:54

I've written to the IOC saying its madness and pointing out that if women are harmed, its on them.

ChateauMargaux · 30/07/2024 16:58

@BlossomtoLeaves no justification required... prioritise inclusion, individual sporting organisations can set their own rules or as FIFA have said since 2022... look at everything on a case by case basis.

No regulations that can be referred to or challenged.

Apart from if it's doping.. then it is athletes fundamental right to fair competition.. ..

Not females though.. because of unfairness to men who want to compete as women.

ticktickticktickBOOM · 30/07/2024 17:09

Omlettes · 30/07/2024 16:54

I've written to the IOC saying its madness and pointing out that if women are harmed, its on them.

I want to do this. How do I contact them?

woofyoof · 30/07/2024 17:15

ScrollingLeaves · 30/07/2024 14:42

Lin is expected to face an unnamed opponent in the 57kg cate­gory on Friday.

Any chance it will be another woMAN, I wonder?

I do not believe that even pre-pubertal boys and girls have the equal strengths. I suspect that has just been largely
assumed.

Well the WHO growth charts are pretty clear - boys are generally bigger and heavier than girls

https://www.rcpch.ac.uk/resources/uk-who-growth-charts-2-18-years

UK-WHO growth charts - 2-18 years

This chart is mainly intended to assess the growth of school age children and young people in primary or secondary care. It includes guidance on the onset and progression of puberty, a BMI centile lookup, an adult height predictor and a mid parental he...

https://www.rcpch.ac.uk/resources/uk-who-growth-charts-2-18-years

ScrollingLeaves · 30/07/2024 17:25

woofyoof · 30/07/2024 17:15

Well the WHO growth charts are pretty clear - boys are generally bigger and heavier than girls

https://www.rcpch.ac.uk/resources/uk-who-growth-charts-2-18-years

Thank you, for confirming that.

ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 30/07/2024 17:31

Reem Asalam

x.com/unsrvaw/status/1818268454505336977?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

"Many of the inputs I have received for my upcoming report on violence against women and girls in sport and which i will present at #GA79 in October, stress the need to maintain single-sex spaces for safety, fairness and basic human dignity.

This week at #PARIS2024 we may all witness the damaging consequences for women and girls when the principle of sex separation in sports is not respected. I will be watching the Olympic boxing matches with utmost concern.

Determining an athlete’s sex can be simple, accurate, and dignified: it only requires a single cheek swab in a lifetime."

lcakethereforeIam · 30/07/2024 20:04

The Telegraph has done an article on the two footballers

www.telegraph.co.uk/olympics/2024/07/30/banda-kundananji-zambia-football-testosterone-olympics/

https://archive.ph/cQxAk back of the net

Apparently they're playing a blinder. It's all sunlight.

quantumbutterfly · 30/07/2024 20:21

MoleAtTheCounter · 30/07/2024 15:56

I’m not oppressing you Stan: you haven’t got a womb. Where’s the foetus going to gestate? You gonna keep it in a box?

It's Loretta to you.

Retiredfromthere · 30/07/2024 20:37

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NotBadConsidering · 30/07/2024 21:10

I was shocked to read they had competed in Tokyo.

“The successfully hid themselves previously and no one noticed, I don’t know what the fuss is about” isn’t any form of defence you IOC moron 🤬

It would be interesting to hear from others who have fought them.

fromorbit · 30/07/2024 21:12

More articles being published. The footage from Kehlif's previous fight is going viral:

“It should never have got this far,” McGuigan wrote this week when hearing how both trans fighters will be swapping blows with women boxers. Indeed. How to defend this? Why should anyone even try to defend this?

Bottom line: you are either a man or you are a woman, and if you have XY chromosomes, you are a man. End of discussion or debate. There is no in-between. Certainly not in the very, very dangerous sport of boxing.

Source: Outrage And Anger As Two Trans Boxers Will Face Female Opposition Over The Coming Days In Paris - Latest Boxing News (https://www.boxing247.com/boxing-news/outrage-and-anger-as-two-trans-boxers-will-face-female-opposition-over-the-coming-days-in-paris/280908)

Nick Kyrgios reacts to controversy around Algerian boxer Imane Khelif participating in women's boxing at Paris Olympics 2024
www.sportskeeda.com/tennis/news-nick-kyrgios-reacts-controversy-around-algerian-boxer-imane-khelif-participating-women-s-boxing-paris-olympics-2024

Outrage And Anger As Two Trans Boxers Will Face Female Opposition Over The Coming Days In Paris

Outrage And Anger As Two Trans Boxers Will Face Female Opposition Over The Coming Days In Paris - Latest Boxing News

Footage of a trans boxer beating up on a female opponent has gone viral, just hours before the trans athlete in question will fight a female opponent, this on

https://www.boxing247.com/boxing-news/outrage-and-anger-as-two-trans-boxers-will-face-female-opposition-over-the-coming-days-in-paris/280908

fromorbit · 30/07/2024 21:23

Brianda Tamara who featured in viral footage being battered in a fight with Khelif has commentated on the Olympic controversy about the pressure she faced for speaking out.

Brianda Tamara OLY

@BriandaTamara

Gracias a todos por hacerme sentir su apoyo, lo aprecio mucho. Lamentablemente en mi anterior y única declaración tuve una muy mala experiencia donde mucha gente me deseó lo peor por expresar mi sentir. Ahora mismo estoy enfocada 101% en mi PRO DEBUT, el camino sigue para mi.
Translated from Spanish
Thank you all for making me feel your support, I really appreciate it. Unfortunately, in my previous and only statement I had a very bad experience where many people wished me the worst for expressing my feelings. Right now I am focused 101% on my PRO DEBUT, the path continues for me.

x.com

https://x.com/BriandaTamara

Mmmnotsure · 30/07/2024 21:56

On the plus side (if such a thing is possible) I was asked about this tonight by someone who does not ask about such things.

What's with the Olympic boxing?

Note to self: next time, just answer the bloody question, give him something else to think about to nudge down the path, and Then Leave It. Do not go on to the Denton's document and make analogies about if you can get men into women's prisons everything else should then fall, and thus boxing...

But the boxing debacle does seem to be cutting through.

Notaflippinclue · 30/07/2024 22:24

I've written to the IOC stating I'm boycotting them and their sponsors - they've replied generically saying they'll get round to my complaint - will need millions of us to make some impact

Citrusandginger · 30/07/2024 22:30

Well it seems the Guardian no less are looking for people to write science articles...

Screenshot from Twitter/X

TWO “Female Boxers” Set To Compete At Paris 2024 Were Previously Disqualified From Women’s World Championship For Having “XY Chromosomes”
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BettyFilous · 30/07/2024 22:49

For those of you on there, how is this shaking down on X?

SabrinaThwaite · 30/07/2024 23:05

Barry McGuigan is being forthright:

It’s pathetic, men will become women to have an advantage in sport . What are the authorities doing about this ? In boxing or any other combat sport it’s criminal. It shouldn’t happen but if they slip through the net and are caught, they should be f##king jailed.

Sean Ingle reposted this link:

www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1135205/khelif-disqualified-eligibility-rules

fromorbit · 31/07/2024 00:56

BettyFilous · 30/07/2024 22:49

For those of you on there, how is this shaking down on X?

Huge amount of outrage. The videos of Kehlif is being widely shared alongside various articles. JKR weighed in today a million views already.

J.K. Rowling
What will it take to end this insanity? A female boxer left with life-altering injuries? A female boxer killed?

I think this another Hubbard/Isla moment especially with the Kris/Mr Beast saga at the same time. As the first fight is on Thursday there is another day before it happens.

It seems the Italians have realised what is going on now with Angela Carini being Italian. Matteo Salvini, head of the hard right League party, with 1.5 million X followers shared outraged details on X earlier today. It seems Lega MPs are raising questions. So outrage is spreading with political implications.

Italian news article: [use google translate]
https://www.leggo.it/sport/olimpiadi/olimpiadi_2024_angela_carini_boxe_transessuale_imane_khelif_salvini_ultimissime-8272050.html

Kehlif seems to be a not great boxer, even with his advantages he has lost before. I am hoping Angela pulls off a win for her safety.

Olimpiadi 2024, Angela Carini sul ring sfida Imane Khelif: «Ha superato la verifica del sesso». L'ira di Salvini

Olimpiadi 2024 a Parigi: agli ottavi di finale di boxe femminile l'atleta azzurra Angela Carini affronterà il primo agosto sul ring Imane Khelif nei pesi welter. L’algerina...

https://www.leggo.it/sport/olimpiadi/olimpiadi_2024_angela_carini_boxe_transessuale_imane_khelif_salvini_ultimissime-8272050.html

Datun · 31/07/2024 01:14

Placemarking.

I'm hopeful that now JKR is on it, sanity might prevail.

Omlettes · 31/07/2024 01:37

ticktickticktickBOOM · 30/07/2024 17:09

I want to do this. How do I contact them?

Google 🙄
https://support.olympics.com/hc/en-gb/requests/new

Omlettes · 31/07/2024 01:38

MoleAtTheCounter · 30/07/2024 15:56

I’m not oppressing you Stan: you haven’t got a womb. Where’s the foetus going to gestate? You gonna keep it in a box?

Moley is that you?😭

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