TWO “Female Boxers” Set To Compete At Paris 2024 Were Previously Disqualified From Women’s World Championship For Having “XY Chromosomes”

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Surely this cannot be true. In boxing of all sports. I thought boxing had told men they needed to compete with other men?

”Two athletes competing at the Paris Olympics as “women” were previously disqualified from a women’s world championship for having “XY chromosomes.” Imane Khelif of Algeria and Lin Yu-Ting of Taiwan are scheduled to compete in Olympic women’s boxing next week despite past questions surrounding their biological sex.”

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So to be clear @DogFacedWoman and @MessinaBloom you think these are women who have been unfairly targeted by corrupt Russian officials and they are not men or male and don’t have XY chromosomes?

This is the very first time the IOC’s policy for devolving the responsibility for the policy around male inclusion in the female sports category has been put under pressure. And the IOC has chucked the international sporting federation under the proverbial bus.

A federation that bravely created a policy that was different to the IOC but similar to the other major federations such as WA, FINA, UIC, WR, so not in any way an outlier.

And yet the IOC has undermined the IBA’s authority about something so important as female athlete’s safety. Again, the IBA policy was absolutely in line with other major sporting organizations. Including World Rugby FFS!

But the IOC has still undermined this. It makes me wonder what the other sporting federations are thinking at this time. It is a remarkable situation. The IOC have tried to maintain that they are the good guys with their policy. The only conclusion to be drawn from that; is that the sporting federations who protected female sports are to be considered unsupportable in the eyes of the IOC.

I also have to wonder at any poster who has accused the IBA of being less reliable than the IOC. Have people forgotten the corruption scandals of the IOC? Or is that just an inconvenient reminder?

If the statements from IBA were false, a quick lawyer’s letter would have had those statements removed from publication.

Also, the IOC has not disputed that these athletes have XY chromosomes. So , why exactly should anyone believe the findings of XY chromosome and ‘an athlete being found to have physical advantage over female athletes’ to be a falsified statement?

This ‘because it is Russia’ pivot is just meaningless and in no way convincing.

@NotBadConsidering

So to be clear @DogFacedWoman and @MessinaBloom you think these are women who have been unfairly targeted by corrupt Russian officials and they are not men or male and don’t have XY chromosomes?

My post related primarily to the social media backlash. It has been nicely taken up and exploited by every RW pundit you can think of, making me suspicious of Russian ties. I don't pretend to know the specifics of the boxer's' chromosomes or conditions, but ultimately, I do think they are female.

This is my opinion. I don't attack you for yours, so I ask you not to attack me for mine.

It was actually an international group. Organized as stated by pp by Roisin Micheaux, and there were German attendees as well including Rona Duwe and her group Frauenheldinnen.

The ‘Discord’ that the IOC allowed because they ignored the international sporting federation for boxing’s policy after devolving all responsibility for setting policy around male athletes competing in female events to the international sporting federations you mean?

That discord?

The discord that they should have anticipated and protected the athletes from in the first place, but failed to due to poor leadership ?

That discord?

Imagine if the IOC had done their job in the first place instead of firstly, allowing a campaign group to convince them to allow female athletes to be harmed, even physically harmed by removing sex testing in the 00s. Then by allowing activists such as McKinnon to convince the panel that allowed males with transgender identities to compete in female sports categories in 2016.

Would anyone like to point out where the IOC has taken strong leadership in protecting female people? Because all I have seen for decades is the IOC prioritising male people, and even under the guise of ‘protecting women’.

It is fucking laughable that some people have tried to paint the IOC as being a bastion of integrity. And even accusing an international sporting federation that the IOC pushed to take the responsibility for setting the policies in the first place of being ‘corrupt’ compared to the IOC. That should be ‘more’ corrupt I believe.

And all because two athletes were tested and found to have XY chromosomes and to have physical advantages over female athletes and then the IOC, through very poor leadership, allowed those male athletes to punch female athletes in a ring with the whole world watching. Remarkable.

@Helleofabore

It is fucking laughable that some people have tried to paint the IOC as being a bastion of integrity.

Who?

I didn’t attack you. You claimed that this is Russian corruption and I asked to a simple question. That isn’t an attack. Do you think they’re women? You have said yes, you think they’re female. That clears it up. We shall see how your claim ages despite all the evidence to the contrary.

Who?

Anyone who has said that the IBA is not reliable in regards to the testing of these athletes. And I acknowledge that that was slightly different to your point about the ‘discord’ that you seem to blaming Russia for. Both can be true.

The IOC needs to accept responsibility, while some Russians may happily taking advantage of the situation to stoke up discord.

Boris Becker of all people has entered the fray with characteristic eloquence:

https://x.com/TheBorisBecker/status/1818994330054382065

@NotBadConsidering

I didn’t attack you. You claimed that this is Russian corruption and I asked to a simple question. That isn’t an attack. Do you think they’re women? You have said yes, you think they’re female. That clears it up. We shall see how your claim ages despite all the evidence to the contrary.

I know you didn't, but on threads like this, any different views and their posters usually are attacked. I was asking you (and others) to respect me by not doing that. And, yes, we will see how certain claims age.

It is two different things entirely to think that the one organisation could have Russian-influenced corruption and that the other is completely free of corruption. It would be the rare person to think in such binary terms.

Just because some Russian connections are corrupt it doesn’t mean everything with a Russian connection is corrupt.

If the account given by the IBA is not true, then I would expect the lawyers of these 2 boxers to be pointing to actual evidence to the contrary. It would be very simple to establish the facts of the case; science is absolutely able to do this unambiguously. But I don’t see any evidence of this happening.

If I was being accused of being male with a DSD and there was no truth to it, I would be insisting on getting tested to prove otherwise.

But it seems to be that the IOC and athletes themselves prefer to keep away from the science, and keep the waters as muddy as possible so as to retain the possibility of denial.

No one’s attacking you. You’re free to believe what you want to. But there seems to be very limited evidence to support your belief that these boxers are female. That’s why the majority of posters here are disagreeing with you.

Even if you aren’t sure that the IBA’s tests were fair, valid or free from corruption, these facts seem to me to be quite problematic for your viewpoint:

1. The athletes didn’t appeal (or pursue an appeal the full way), meaning they essentially accepted their ineligibility.
2. no one in authority on this is saying they passed a chromosome test or that they don’t have XY chromosomes. The IOC doesn’t care if they do. It says they’re female because they have female on their passports. The IOC’s own policy is to prioritise inclusion and that there’s ’no presumption’ of advantage for these athletes, even if they are male. If you were right that they are truly women, why isn’t the IOC or someone else (the athletes’ teams for example) just proving it? It’s not hard to do.

https://www.iba.sport/news/iba-is-to-award-angela-carini-of-italy-with-olympic-champion-prize-money/

Here’s some nice news for Carini. Though I’m sure some people will say this is more Russian evilness or spin it as corruption or something….

Yes any actual xx female would be entirely transparent about her femaleness. No hiding her sex behind a medical condition. It’s the lack of transparency that causes witch hunts and controversy.

Also If these athletes hadn’t been previously banned by the IBA it’s hard to imagine how this situation would have played out. Could the IOC have kept this entirely hidden insisting that these athletes are “female” and just lying to the public and other athletes. Obviously people would still have been suspicious because these athletes are so obviously male but the “evidence” from the IBA wouldn’t be there.

Boris Becker of all people has entered the fray with characteristic eloquence:
What does he mean when he posts "word" when sharing a post?

Great news that the IBA will financially support the women who box against these cheating men.

What does he mean when he posts "word" when sharing a post?

As in "in the beginning was the word..." or "Word from on high". He's ascribing almost scriptural correctness to the pronouncement he's endorsing.

Also, does anyone remember the massive backlash at the Tokyo Olympics, when this Algerian boxer lost to that Irish boxer in the quarter finals? Because I don't even remember it being mentioned once.

At that stage neither athlete had been sex tested. How would we have known when the IOC force an omertà on athletes and the press?

Thanks @JustSpeculation

You don’t seem like much of a sports fan at all if you still don’t understand competitive advantage and level playing fields.

Or the differences between men and women.

I'm confused as to whether this boxer is biologically female. There are conflicting reports out there.

Are you better informed after reading this and the other threads that discuss this topic?