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TWO “Female Boxers” Set To Compete At Paris 2024 Were Previously Disqualified From Women’s World Championship For Having “XY Chromosomes”

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Signalbox · 28/07/2024 07:31

Surely this cannot be true. In boxing of all sports. I thought boxing had told men they needed to compete with other men?

”Two athletes competing at the Paris Olympics as “women” were previously disqualified from a women’s world championship for having “XY chromosomes.” Imane Khelif of Algeria and Lin Yu-Ting of Taiwan are scheduled to compete in Olympic women’s boxing next week despite past questions surrounding their biological sex.”

reduxx.info/breaking-two-female-boxers-set-to-compete-at-paris-2024-were-previously-disqualified-from-womens-world-championship-for-having-xy-chromosomes/

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AlecTrevelyan006 · 02/08/2024 19:39

greengreyblue · 02/08/2024 18:11

Have just read that Kehleif was born female and has lived her life as a female. Why are people saying she’s a man?

Kehleif is not female

Nomnomnew · 02/08/2024 19:40

Excellent twitter post here debunking all the frequently stated bullshit

twitter.com/Slatzism/status/1819427537740558848

DuesToTheDirt · 02/08/2024 19:41

I think this "born female" quote from Adams is to blame for spreading a lot of misinformation. "Registered female, lived her life as a female, boxed as a female, has a female passport" could all be true, I have no idea - but they are irrelevant. "Born female" however is suggesting that Khelif is really a woman.

ScrollingLeaves · 02/08/2024 19:44

greengreyblue · 02/08/2024 18:11

Have just read that Kehleif was born female and has lived her life as a female. Why are people saying she’s a man?

https://x.com/reduxxmag/status/1818971539703734773?s=46&t=A2fpFNgDRyXF2d6ye97wEA

Yesterday, the International Boxing Association released an eleventh hour statement which definitively established that Khelif was not eligible to compete in women's boxing.

Khelif, along with Taiwan's Lin Yu-Ting, had been previously disqualified from the 2023 Women's Boxing World Championship after it was determined they had an unfair advantage over female boxers.

And while supporters and national Olympic Committees claimed this was simply because the boxers had "naturally high testosterone," the IBA put this myth to bed and confirmed they had not conducted a testosterone level test on either one of them.

Instead, the IBA said that Khelif and Lin had been disqualified after a separate medical test was conducted which established they were not eligible to participate in women's boxing.

Crucially, the IBA defines "woman" as "an individual with XX chromosomes." The "gender tests" they conduct on boxers do not measure their hormone levels, but determines whether they meet this definition of "woman" as per the IBA eligibility criteria.

Khelif and Lin did not.

Yet despite this, the @iocmedia has allowed both to compete in women's boxing at Paris 2024. While some may believe the IOC conducted their own medical tests, this is untrue. The IOC ceased all sex-testing in 1999. And for the purposes of the Paris Olympics, the eligibility for women's boxing has been limited to whether an individual has legal documents stating they are female.

Reduxx will be clear for a final time: Khelif and Lin are NOT believed to be transgender. Instead, they are believed to be individuals impacted by a Difference of Sexual Development, a medical condition which results in the abnormal development of secondary sex characteristics.

Individuals impacted by some DSDs, for example, may have XY chromosomes, but not develop a penis in utero. Thus, they are marked as "female" when they are born, and may go a substantial part of their lives without knowing they are biologically male.

In the past, male athletes with DSDs have been actively sought out by national Olympic teams because they have a substantial advantage over females and can fly "under the radar" thanks to their "female" legal documentation.

But individuals with XY chromosomes, no matter their secondary sex characteristics or medical conditions, are still male. And they should not be competing against females.

@iocmedia was and has been aware of concerns surrounding Khelif and Lin's biological sex, yet has been allowing them to continue compete against females.

This is putting female athletes at serious risk. It is also crushing the dreams of female Olympians like Angela Carini, who earned their place in their sport.

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Angela Carini abandons Olympic fight after 46 seconds against Imane Khelif | Paris Olympic Games 2024 | The Guardian

https://x.com/ReduxxMag/status/1819135492585087280?t=XD7X33X-p3EjjhKLy6ErmQ&s=19

https://x.com/reduxxmag/status/1818971539703734773?s=46&t=A2fpFNgDRyXF2d6ye97wEA

Christinapple · 02/08/2024 20:01

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/jk-rowling-sends-herself-into-transphobic-spiral-over-womens-boxing-bout_n_66abc61ce4b029f42a094275

"The "Harry Potter" author repeatedly referred to Algerian boxer Imane Khelif as a man, stubbornly ignoring the fact the athlete is a cis woman.

In her post, Rowling repeatedly misgendered Khelif, who is a cisgender woman disqualified from the 2023 women’s world championships after officials claimed an unspecified “gender eligibility test” showed the athlete had a Y chromosome and elevated levels of testosterone."

Also Carini has stated she wishes to apologise to Khelif for how she handed the moments after the match

www.bbc.com/sport/olympics/articles/c2j3jg51rg4o

WickedSerious · 02/08/2024 20:02

greengreyblue · 02/08/2024 18:11

Have just read that Kehleif was born female and has lived her life as a female. Why are people saying she’s a man?

Because he is.

tellmewhoareyou · 02/08/2024 20:04

Christinapple · 02/08/2024 20:01

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/jk-rowling-sends-herself-into-transphobic-spiral-over-womens-boxing-bout_n_66abc61ce4b029f42a094275

"The "Harry Potter" author repeatedly referred to Algerian boxer Imane Khelif as a man, stubbornly ignoring the fact the athlete is a cis woman.

In her post, Rowling repeatedly misgendered Khelif, who is a cisgender woman disqualified from the 2023 women’s world championships after officials claimed an unspecified “gender eligibility test” showed the athlete had a Y chromosome and elevated levels of testosterone."

Also Carini has stated she wishes to apologise to Khelif for how she handed the moments after the match

www.bbc.com/sport/olympics/articles/c2j3jg51rg4o

"cis"

ah bless Christinapple. keep digging yourself deeper into that hole of irrationality.

WickedSerious · 02/08/2024 20:05

Plasmodesmata · 02/08/2024 15:36

Not an all male final, as the two are in different weight categories.
Because obviously, weight categories are important for safety and fairness.

More's the pity.

SabrinaThwaite · 02/08/2024 20:05

Christinapple · 02/08/2024 20:01

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/jk-rowling-sends-herself-into-transphobic-spiral-over-womens-boxing-bout_n_66abc61ce4b029f42a094275

"The "Harry Potter" author repeatedly referred to Algerian boxer Imane Khelif as a man, stubbornly ignoring the fact the athlete is a cis woman.

In her post, Rowling repeatedly misgendered Khelif, who is a cisgender woman disqualified from the 2023 women’s world championships after officials claimed an unspecified “gender eligibility test” showed the athlete had a Y chromosome and elevated levels of testosterone."

Also Carini has stated she wishes to apologise to Khelif for how she handed the moments after the match

www.bbc.com/sport/olympics/articles/c2j3jg51rg4o

Yeah, but no, but yeah, but no … JKR did not claim that either boxer was transgender.

So again - why are you posting Chinese Taipei propaganda?

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 02/08/2024 20:09

Christinapple · 02/08/2024 20:01

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/jk-rowling-sends-herself-into-transphobic-spiral-over-womens-boxing-bout_n_66abc61ce4b029f42a094275

"The "Harry Potter" author repeatedly referred to Algerian boxer Imane Khelif as a man, stubbornly ignoring the fact the athlete is a cis woman.

In her post, Rowling repeatedly misgendered Khelif, who is a cisgender woman disqualified from the 2023 women’s world championships after officials claimed an unspecified “gender eligibility test” showed the athlete had a Y chromosome and elevated levels of testosterone."

Also Carini has stated she wishes to apologise to Khelif for how she handed the moments after the match

www.bbc.com/sport/olympics/articles/c2j3jg51rg4o

JKR really does live rent free in your head. You are so obsessed.

UpThePankhurst · 02/08/2024 20:09

The desperation's getting painful.

"You didn't see what you think you saw! We can control your reality by words and shaming and shouting at you!"

No, I think those days are gone now.

Christinapple · 02/08/2024 20:14

tellmewhoareyou · 02/08/2024 20:04

"cis"

ah bless Christinapple. keep digging yourself deeper into that hole of irrationality.

Just quoting the article.

User109876 · 02/08/2024 20:15

So looking at the draw, the women's Olympic boxing final could be contested by 2 blokes 🤔

WickedSerious · 02/08/2024 20:16

Christinapple · 02/08/2024 20:01

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/jk-rowling-sends-herself-into-transphobic-spiral-over-womens-boxing-bout_n_66abc61ce4b029f42a094275

"The "Harry Potter" author repeatedly referred to Algerian boxer Imane Khelif as a man, stubbornly ignoring the fact the athlete is a cis woman.

In her post, Rowling repeatedly misgendered Khelif, who is a cisgender woman disqualified from the 2023 women’s world championships after officials claimed an unspecified “gender eligibility test” showed the athlete had a Y chromosome and elevated levels of testosterone."

Also Carini has stated she wishes to apologise to Khelif for how she handed the moments after the match

www.bbc.com/sport/olympics/articles/c2j3jg51rg4o

She 'wishes to apologise' about as much as I wish to obey the restraining order that's kept me away from Antonio Banderas for the last fifteen years.

SabrinaThwaite · 02/08/2024 20:16

User109876 · 02/08/2024 20:15

So looking at the draw, the women's Olympic boxing final could be contested by 2 blokes 🤔

They’re in different weight categories.

MrsTerryPratchett · 02/08/2024 20:52

@Christinapple a couple of questions:

Do you believe that XY people typically have an advantage in most sports over XX people? Yes or No.

Do you believe that identity trumps biology in sports? If an XY person says they are female, they should get to compete with XX people? Yes or No please.

If the answer to the above are Yes and No, do you believe that in women's sport a simple cheek swab should be used to stop cheating?

Because you're doing a lot of chatting about 'facts' that the athletes are this and that. But the above would sort everything out very quickly and easily. There will always be people who want a medal enough they will cause themselves irreparable damage physically. Simply stating they are female is a lot easier and safer than doping. Men will definitely do it to win. If allowed.

Signalbox · 02/08/2024 20:55

Have we had this yet? Surely this must go against IOC guidelines...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/articles/cnd0drjr4jdo

"Hungarian boxer Anna Luca Hamori says she doesn't "think it's fair" that her next opponent, Imane Khelif, is taking part in the women's category at the Olympics.

"The Hungarian Boxing Association has protested against Khelif's participation at Paris 2024, and the Hungarian Olympic Committee requested talks with the International Olympic Committee (IOC) over the issue.

"Hamori, 23, wrote on social media: "In my humble opinion I don't think it's fair that this contestant can compete in the women's category.

"But I cannot concern myself with that now. I cannot change it, it's life.

"I can promise you one thing… I will do my best to win and I will fight as long as I can!"

 Imane Khelif (left) and Anna Luca Hamori

Imane Khelif competing in women's boxing not fair, says Hungarian opponent

Hungarian boxer Anna Luca Hamori says she doesn't "think it's fair" that her next opponent, Imane Khelif, is in the women's category.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/articles/cnd0drjr4jdo

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MrsTerryPratchett · 02/08/2024 20:56

And on the separate question of western beauty standards. I completely agree that this happens to Black women. Absolutely no question. And GNC lesbians.

But to suggest Taiwanese female beauty standards are any less stringent and split by gender... please. They are very very fixed and 'feminine'. No one is applying western beauty standards to the Taiwanese entrant.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 02/08/2024 20:56

Cis is TRA bullshit.

But by TRA logic he is "cis" as he was "assigned" female at birth and identifies as female when he wants to beat women

biddyboo · 02/08/2024 21:05

Sharon Davies has said on Twitter that she has spoken to other female athletes who have said there are males in their combat sports. No wonder the IOC don't want sex testing.

murasaki · 02/08/2024 21:25

Cheek swabs for everyone, deeper investigation if needed for a small number. That's fair, not invasive amd simple.to do.

DuesToTheDirt · 02/08/2024 21:49

biddyboo · 02/08/2024 21:05

Sharon Davies has said on Twitter that she has spoken to other female athletes who have said there are males in their combat sports. No wonder the IOC don't want sex testing.

Bloody hell,

Inclusion, eh? What a farce.

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