Spouse says men can use Ladies to change baby nappy?

[Bunty2727]

Im not a mum. I just went into the public toilet (to put up some single sex signs lol) and as I approached a man was just about to enter with a baby, I said excuse me I dont think you are allowed to use the ladies, he replied, pointing at the baby change sign, you can go in first if you like, I repeated, I dont think you can use the ladies, when I came out he had gone. Spouse said Im wrong, he’s allowed. googled and cannot see an answer?

Don't worry we're cracking on with four families, five grandchildren and all use female, disabled facilities depending on where the owner of the premises has sited the changing station 🙂

Therefore if women or girls had been attacked, you were responsible?

Tell me, how did you know if a man is genuinely disabled before letting him into a womens space?

Ah so you admit that you can't find any news reports? Better stay in your house and not venture out then. There might be a man with a doll standing outside your front door. According to a few strange posters on this thread, these type of men are abundant. Maybe see your doctor because your anxiety and paranoia is not healthy.

She did a good thing which I applaud. As most normal people would do

👏👏 thank you

Doesn't answer the question though, does it?

And no, I disagree. Many "normal people" don't want to see or hear men in ladies toilets. Disabled or otherwise.

You seem to have an agenda for wanting men in womens spaces.
Why is that?

No he shouldn't use the baby changing if it's located inside the women's toilets (unless single occupancy unit like the disabled/baby change ones).

I hate that baby changes are often located in disabled toilets because the baby change facility means someone who might find it very hard to wait is more likely to have to - as a result I changed many many nappies on my knee in the women's toilets. No reason the father couldn't have changed baby on his knee & he should complain to the management about the sexist baby change provision !

Why would I not leave my house?

We're discussing men going INTO women and girls spaces.

Some very hard of understanding posters on here.
And possibly a suspect agenda?

TRA'S maybe........

Given your "supposedly" large family, you should know better.

Or maybe just a different opinion and approach to risk. I wouldn't mind a man changing a baby or supervising a toddler in the ladies.
I respect that you do mind.

I respect that you, as an adult, don't mind.

But my first priority is my preteen and teenage daughters, who are still vulnerable and need to know that a female space is just that.

Once more for the hard of thinking, any man entering a female only space, turns that space into a mixed sex space. That excludes some women from that space, some posters feel that some men should be welcomed into those spaces and sod those women who are then excluded.

Why don't you go the whole hog and ban dbs checks while you're at it? Not all teachers/police/nursery workers etc are rapists!

DBS checks are for men and women.

They don't just target men

My personal risk assessment would consider a man who has offered to wait to let a woman use the facilities first, and has asked if it was ok to change his baby, to not be a danger to me,

I respect other women don't feel like that, and that takes priority over me not minding.

But nobody should be telling me that I should see every man accessing a female space as a risk, because I don't.

Well that's great for you, but once he's in there alone he would likely be setting up discreet video cameras to film women or going through the sanitary bin looking for used sanpro.

@junochorus do you genuinely believe this is inevitable for any man in this situation.

As i said, that is your right to have that opinion, i don't share it.

And therein the problem lies.......

Well of course NAMALT 🙄
Good men don't try and access women's spaces and perverts don't go around wearing a badge that announces themselves as such.

Whether a man is a risk or not - he is entering a women only space where a pre-teen may be feeling vulnerable due to:

• Having their first or a heavy period and having clothes and hands being covered in blood - needing to remove bottoms to wash in sink and dry under dryer (been there myself)
• Being an existing victim of sexual abuse and feeling threatened/scared/triggered by having an adult male between her and the exit (baby or no baby)

Why does this man's need to not have to walk to his car to change a nappy/find somewhere with appropriate facilities trump her feelings and human right for privacy, dignity and respect?

It's not inevitable but it is a risk. An outcome doesn't need to be inevitable for women and girls to wish to avoid increasing the risk of it.

You can buy toilet brushes with tiny cameras in the handle and other innocuous-looking cameras that don't look out of place in a bathroom. The barrier to entry for livestreaming footage of girls and women on the loo to OnlyFans is a few hundred pounds.

How about men who are out with babies check what facilties are available before they make themselves comfortable?

Any man in the women's toilets can fuck right off. I would be disgusted by his attitude.

How do you do that?

Ive always seen that facilities say whether there is a baby changing room, not where it is aka in the ladies or not.

Um, could go something like this:
Man with baby to bar/waiting staff: are there changing facilties here that aren't in the women's toilet? No? Okay I'll just grab xyz to go please/find somewhere else

Man with baby to friends invitation: yeah would be great to meet up. Have got baby with me though - does ABC have changing space that isn't in the women's bogs? Not sure? Let's to go to XYZ as I know they do there

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