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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Telegraph: Labour moves to ban puberty blockers permanently

303 replies

ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 12/07/2024 15:17

Wes is getting it in the neck online from the TRAs. He should stand firm.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/07/12/labour-ban-puberty-blockers-permanently-trans-stance/

"A ban on puberty blockers could be made permanentt_ as the Labour party takes a harder stance on transgender issues, The Telegraph can reveal.
Wes Streeting, the Health Secretary, intends to stop powerful hormone blockerss_ being given to children via any means, subject to the outcome of a legal hearing.
Laws to ban the blockers being supplied to children by private or off-shore clinics were passed by his predecessor, Victoria Atkins, in emergency legislation ahead of the general election.
These are due to expire on Sept 3 and the new Government has to decide whether to pass a law to make it permanent.._
It is understood that Labour will now seek to renew the ban with a view to making it permanent."

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PaterPower · 12/07/2024 20:27

Will Jolyon follow through on this and leave the country? One can only hope. However, I suspect he’ll ’bravely’ stay on to keep losing shedloads of other people’s money standing up for the oppressed. #Stunning&Brave #Everyone’snotAWinner

SidewaysOtter · 12/07/2024 20:30

@Discotrousers that is an excellent letter. Would you mind if I used it as the basis for my own letter to my MP?

OvaHere · 12/07/2024 20:33

OvaHere · 12/07/2024 19:37

This might be of interest. I've not watched it yet. It took place on Tuesday evening.

Just quoting myself here because I'm listening to this. Prof. Michele Moore's segment is shocking. I don't think I've heard her speak before about everything she went through. Really horrifying stuff.

plasticbanana98 · 12/07/2024 20:33

Apolloneuro · 12/07/2024 18:51

I’ve always liked Wes Streeting. Party leader of the future I think

He's keen on privatising the NHS so you might have any to stop lionising him...

StickItInTheFamilyAlbum · 12/07/2024 20:39

Judgment is expected at a later date. The Labour government has said it will seek to make the ban permanent, subject to the outcome of the case.

That makes more sense.

Discotrousers · 12/07/2024 20:43

SidewaysOtter · 12/07/2024 20:30

@Discotrousers that is an excellent letter. Would you mind if I used it as the basis for my own letter to my MP?

Be my guest! Not sure it's that good but anyone who wants to pinch bits (or the whole thing) is more than welcome.

Citrusandginger · 12/07/2024 20:47

SidewaysOtter · 12/07/2024 18:33

They all sound like addicts being denied their fix.

They are in a way. They’re told the drugs are the answer. PBs are the solution. PBs not giving you “trans joy”? Cross sex hormones are the answer. Still unhappy? Surgery is the answer.

Oh, that wasn’t the answer either and now you’re a detransitioner with a wrecked body.

I’m reminded of an episode of Frasier where Frasier and Niles join a new club and are convinced that the door they’re not allowed through is the next level of membership which will make them happier. They wheedle their way up and up, still not satisfied, until through the final door they find themselves out on the fire escape with the door clanging shut behind them, stranding them out there alone.

Sadly that's my professional experience. People honestly believing that "just one more procedure" will make them happy.

It won't, because the reason for their unhappiness isn't because they were born in the wrong body.

VeryOldMan · 12/07/2024 20:51

ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 12/07/2024 15:35

Some of the vitriol has been collated by Maya:

x.com/mforstater/status/1811768240206401739?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

The "both sides" BS should hopefully not survive this.

She's someone I have a LOT of respect for!
I have a lot of concerns about Wes Streeting, especially over Kitty Corral, but I will support him on this. The Trans-Stasi has had their way for far too long.

UpThePankhurst · 12/07/2024 20:55

I agree the signs suggest that women's rights will be offered up on the altar to appease the activists for having dared protect children's rights.

Well, its the right priority. And it's not like women are just going to go with it, or the disasters and court cases are going to stop adding pressure constantly, so gird up all.

frenchnoodle · 12/07/2024 20:55

Sadly I think the ban will be lifted.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 12/07/2024 20:57

frenchnoodle · 12/07/2024 20:55

Sadly I think the ban will be lifted.

Why, you think Lolyon Maugham will finally win in court?

frenchnoodle · 12/07/2024 20:58

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 12/07/2024 20:57

Why, you think Lolyon Maugham will finally win in court?

No, I think Labour will buckle.

misscockerspaniel · 12/07/2024 21:01

DrBlackbird · 12/07/2024 20:29

Not sure if this has been posted but the article ends by saying that labour will permanently ban subject to the outcome of the court case.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jul/12/ban-on-childrens-puberty-blockers-motivated-by-ex-health-secretarys-personal-view

One of the fox killer's tweets says "subject to the outcome of the court case and consultation"

(Edit: This is the fox killer isn't it?!)

StickItInTheFamilyAlbum · 12/07/2024 21:04

SidewaysOtter · 12/07/2024 18:33

They all sound like addicts being denied their fix.

They are in a way. They’re told the drugs are the answer. PBs are the solution. PBs not giving you “trans joy”? Cross sex hormones are the answer. Still unhappy? Surgery is the answer.

Oh, that wasn’t the answer either and now you’re a detransitioner with a wrecked body.

I’m reminded of an episode of Frasier where Frasier and Niles join a new club and are convinced that the door they’re not allowed through is the next level of membership which will make them happier. They wheedle their way up and up, still not satisfied, until through the final door they find themselves out on the fire escape with the door clanging shut behind them, stranding them out there alone.

The day spa episode? (DoorJam?)

Frasier - Frasier and Niles and the Platinum Door

Frasier - Frasier and Niles and the Platinum Door

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CNmrUMS5FQ

UpThePankhurst · 12/07/2024 21:09

If Labour buckle, this is going to bite them in the bum for decades to come.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 12/07/2024 21:16

frenchnoodle · 12/07/2024 20:58

No, I think Labour will buckle.

Well Lolyon is the one challenging the decision and he doesn't have many wins under his belt.

IwantToRetire · 12/07/2024 21:17

StickItInTheFamilyAlbum · 12/07/2024 20:39

Judgment is expected at a later date. The Labour government has said it will seek to make the ban permanent, subject to the outcome of the case.

That makes more sense.

Can you rpovide a source for this. ie not Pink News not the telegraph repeating Pink News with its own slant.

thanks

Citrusandginger · 12/07/2024 21:18

UpThePankhurst · 12/07/2024 21:09

If Labour buckle, this is going to bite them in the bum for decades to come.

I don't think they will. They have appointed actual scientists as ministers. Cass is too comprehensive for them to ignore.

OvaHere · 12/07/2024 21:21

frenchnoodle · 12/07/2024 20:58

No, I think Labour will buckle.

I still don't hold Labour in very high regard but I will be shocked if they do. It would be a huge risk for them to do so. At the moment they can deflect past harms on to the Tories. This would put future harms firmly at their door.

It's not impossible they will buckle but I would be very surprised at their poor judgement.

Keepingcosy · 12/07/2024 21:25

Labour do represent us, the UK though and hopefully they can reflect what the vast majority and now clinical research thinks. Maybe I'm naive but this makes me hopeful for other things too.

Farting · 12/07/2024 21:32

ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 12/07/2024 15:17

Wes is getting it in the neck online from the TRAs. He should stand firm.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/07/12/labour-ban-puberty-blockers-permanently-trans-stance/

"A ban on puberty blockers could be made permanentt_ as the Labour party takes a harder stance on transgender issues, The Telegraph can reveal.
Wes Streeting, the Health Secretary, intends to stop powerful hormone blockerss_ being given to children via any means, subject to the outcome of a legal hearing.
Laws to ban the blockers being supplied to children by private or off-shore clinics were passed by his predecessor, Victoria Atkins, in emergency legislation ahead of the general election.
These are due to expire on Sept 3 and the new Government has to decide whether to pass a law to make it permanent.._
It is understood that Labour will now seek to renew the ban with a view to making it permanent."

Tony Blair told them to do it so they will.

RoseAndGeranium · 12/07/2024 21:36

Good on Wes. Hope he sticks with it and that the inevitable discussion in Parliament and in the Labour Party, along with the renewed light cast on the behaviour of TRAs when they don’t get what they want, will help a few more Labour cabinet ministers to see the light.

SidewaysOtter · 12/07/2024 21:40

@StickItInTheFamilyAlbum That’s the one! It’s an age since I watched that episode but Frasier is always brilliant.