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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Telegraph: Labour moves to ban puberty blockers permanently

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ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 12/07/2024 15:17

Wes is getting it in the neck online from the TRAs. He should stand firm.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/07/12/labour-ban-puberty-blockers-permanently-trans-stance/

"A ban on puberty blockers could be made permanentt_ as the Labour party takes a harder stance on transgender issues, The Telegraph can reveal.
Wes Streeting, the Health Secretary, intends to stop powerful hormone blockerss_ being given to children via any means, subject to the outcome of a legal hearing.
Laws to ban the blockers being supplied to children by private or off-shore clinics were passed by his predecessor, Victoria Atkins, in emergency legislation ahead of the general election.
These are due to expire on Sept 3 and the new Government has to decide whether to pass a law to make it permanent.._
It is understood that Labour will now seek to renew the ban with a view to making it permanent."

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ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 12/07/2024 17:18

I agree the litigation must be looking awful for the NHS. And they've a lot to pay out for: maternity failures, infected blood, vaginal mesh, and not just harm from PBs but also from CSHs and "gender affirming" surgeries. They've got to be seen to be calling time on the "gender" side of things. Not least for stopping future claims.

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KeirSpoutsTwaddle · 12/07/2024 17:21

Gosh that's optimistic!

Omlettes · 12/07/2024 17:22

PronounssheRa · 12/07/2024 15:39

Jolyon has lost his shit and recommends families leave the UK..

He is behaving like a man lost to religious fervor

Idiotic, histronic pompously and hilariously self important and pretentious, thats our Jolyon.
And he is still trying to out British the British with a script from central casting circa the mid 60s.
I find him hilarious but am disturbed by the ongoing credulity of his donors, still, in the face of his bumbling ineptness and embarassing self regard.

Citrusandginger · 12/07/2024 17:23

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I do agree. But even then, surely most intelligent people would start to have some creeping doubts?

It's an astonishing level of suspended disbelief - or should that be belief - to maintain.

Lovelyview · 12/07/2024 17:25

RayonSunrise · 12/07/2024 15:54

Now is an excellent time to write calm, supportive messages to your new Labour MPs.

Just thinking that! My new labour MP is going to get an approving letter. 🙂

MaidOfAle · 12/07/2024 17:29

StickItInTheFamilyAlbum · 12/07/2024 15:40

https://archive.is/dwxhN for those who'd like to see Telegraph piece.

I support restriction in line with Cass Review.

I'd be unhappy to see restriction on short-term use for (say) girls with premature menarche.

Edited

It's jaw-dropping how these idiots conflate delaying a six-year-old girl's puberty until she's eight, done to ensure her full growth and physical development, with arresting a child's puberty indefinitely.

They're not the same.

SidewaysOtter · 12/07/2024 17:33

SerafinasGoose · 12/07/2024 17:12

The picture has changed in the wake of the Cass report. Labour will have taken this stance because they know, despite their namby pamby protestations as to who is or isn't a woman, it's more than their political life and the reputation of the party not to.

I suspect there's a long series of, or possibly a group litigation against the Tavistock et al already nearly cresting the hill.

Whether Labour are pretending otherwise or not, they get it. By this stage they'd have to be completely stupid not to.

And it will be very useful to them to be able to distance themselves from the impending legal shit show, and be able to point the finger at the Tories with a “We were against PBs from the get go”.

ThreeWordHarpy · 12/07/2024 17:34

It’s a no brainer for Wes if he can read. On the one hand, the calm, measured tones of Dr Cass and a comprehensive scientific report saying “no good evidence PBs help, some evidence they hurt”. Detransitioner testimonies and potential law suits for the NHS on the horizon. Mermaids investigation from Charities Commission pending. The Webberleys evading the law.

Get this right then when the brown stuff hits the fan he can say - it all happened under the previous lot and since day 1 of this government we’ve taken steps to ensure children are protected. Polish halo, look even more earnest.

what would be best if there was a massive investment in mental health support services for young people, but permanently banning PBs is a satisfactory first step to protecting them from permanent harm.

SidewaysOtter · 12/07/2024 17:36

But the reason for that distress is because for years they have been fed a myth that you can change sex, that the first steps in doing so are to block their puberty and if they do this they will feel better.

They - and their parents - have also been fed the line that anything other than affirmation (including PBs) = dead kids. On top of the suicide risk they often quote (not that there’s coherent support for that) but they genuinely seem terrified that there’s going to be some kind of fascist genocide. “They’ll come for [insert demographic here] next” and so on.

I do feel sorry for them. They’ve been sold a lie.

BloodyHellKenAgain · 12/07/2024 17:41

Good. Wes Streeting has gone right up in my estimations if this is true. Child safe guarding, wonderful 🙂

SerafinasGoose · 12/07/2024 17:46

SidewaysOtter · 12/07/2024 17:33

And it will be very useful to them to be able to distance themselves from the impending legal shit show, and be able to point the finger at the Tories with a “We were against PBs from the get go”.

Oh, yes. There's little doubting their stance has been prompted by cynicism.

I consider this women's victory - the likes of Forstater, Rowling, Bailey, Philimore and the grass roots activitism and funding of cases that's been happening here - likely the only place on the www that it HAS been happening.

Women have held these fuckers to account and they now don't have any option but to listen. Their own self-interest depends on it.

Meantime I despair for the kids who have already been put (irrevocably) on this pathway. It's just unforgivable.

Valdor · 12/07/2024 17:55

Lovelyview · 12/07/2024 17:25

Just thinking that! My new labour MP is going to get an approving letter. 🙂

Or indeed, any and all MPs to get that email…

unsociablemedia · 12/07/2024 17:59

ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 12/07/2024 15:29

Same fury in the Labour Party sub:

https://www.reddit.com/r/LabourUK/comments/1e1dd2l/wes_streeting_health_secretary_announces_his

They all sound like addicts being denied their fix.

IwantToRetire · 12/07/2024 18:02

This thread seems to be about the issue raised by this existing thread and not sure why the Telegraph has written what they have when there is no evidence that Labour is going to do any such thing (sadly).

All this is or might happen is whether they extend the temporary ban brought in by the Tories after the Cass Report. See https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5116686-temporary-ban-on-private-clinics-prescribing-puberty-blockers-runs-out-on-3-september-2024

And as mentioned in the thread what happens in the court case currently taking place.

But mabye you could say the Telegraph is effectively campaigning rather than being a news paper.

Archive version for those who cant get behind the paywall https://archive.ph/dwxhN

Temporary ban on private clinics prescribing puberty blockers runs out on 3 September 2024 | Mumsnet

^Temporary legislation to stop private clinics prescribing puberty blockers runs out on 3 September. ^ ^We’ve written to the Heath Secretary, Wes Str...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5116686-temporary-ban-on-private-clinics-prescribing-puberty-blockers-runs-out-on-3-september-2024

CriticalCondition · 12/07/2024 18:08

I've been following the Post Office enquiry. One of interesting things disclosed have been the risk 'heat maps' prepared for the government shareholding body which illustrated the degrees of business and reputational risk posed by various government owned bodies in a colourful infographic in shades of green, yellow and red. The Post Office was high, high up in the red corner.

If something along these lines were produced today for the incoming Labour government I think the Tavistock and it's potential legal liability would be in a similar position.

Let's hope they are taking notice.

EdithStourton · 12/07/2024 18:09

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That's no fucking excuse.
Emotional reasoning isn't a good way of working stuff out. As a barrister, he should know this.

Good for Wes Streeting. Here's hoping the sheet level of batshit lunacy on display makes him realise that is dealing with the deluded.

MaidOfAle · 12/07/2024 18:09

When the nurse came to tell the girls about periods at my primary school, I was already menstruating. The woefully inadequate preparation for menarche that she gave us was already too late for me.

Add to that that I am autistic and was undiagnosed at the time and the result was that puberty was a terrifying and traumatic experience for me. My body changed without warning and without me wanting it to, suddenly I was the object of sexual harassment (including when in school uniform, the sick paedo fuckers), my chest was trussed up into this ridiculous uncomfortable contraption to support the unwanted bags of fat that had materialised on it, I had pubic hair, which my molesters commented on whilst sexually assaulting me, and I had to track periods (and put hard toilet paper in my knickers if I was caught out at school) and tolerate being in pain for several days each month. I had yet to leave primary school when all this happened to me.

Autistic girls made up 40% of Tavistock referrals, despite a single-digit percentage of girls being autistic. I suspect that puberty trauma was a driving factor for many of these girls in wanting to become boys. I know that I wanted to become a boy. These autistic girls do not need puberty blockers nor cross-sex hormones: they need to be prepared for puberty before it hits them and given ongoing support through it.

All girls need support and preparation for puberty that doesn't look like what I got: a single session with a nurse, delivered too late. They need ongoing support. Red Boxes are an excellent first step, ensuring that no schoolgirl ever need use loo roll again, but girls need more warning of period pain and guidance on how to cope and when to say "I'm in too much pain for this", they need guidance on bra fitting because the first ever bra I was bought was deliberately too big "so I could grow into it" and that warped my idea of good fit for decades, and they need prior warning of how shitty men and boys can be and guidance on how to recognise male sexual predatory behaviour and evade predatory men and boys.

These sessions need to be repeated in more detail as the girl ages. They should be designed for neurodivergent girls first because material designed for ND girls will work for NT girls but not necessarily the other way around. And there should be no religious opt-out permitted because this isn't sex ed, it's life-whilst-female ed.

Finally, school changing rooms should all be single-sex, none of this "mixed up until eight" nonsense. If my primary changing room had been single-sex, my molesters would not have been allowed to enter it and I would have known they were up to no good had they done so against the rules. Because it was mixed, they had every right to walk in.

Windymoore · 12/07/2024 18:11

Shortshriftandlethal · 12/07/2024 16:35

"Wes Streeting is nasty and perverse and on Tufton Street's payroll", apparently - according to the delightful Joss Prior. Streeting needs to join the queue.....everyone who says "no" or deviates from the script in any way, is too.

Still waiting for my Tufton Street cheque in the post...any day now,I'm sure. Must be taking so long as it's most of the country agreeing with reality

MaidOfAle · 12/07/2024 18:21

Am I misreading those tweets that Maya collated, or are some of them actually advocating violence against Wes?

SidewaysOtter · 12/07/2024 18:33

They all sound like addicts being denied their fix.

They are in a way. They’re told the drugs are the answer. PBs are the solution. PBs not giving you “trans joy”? Cross sex hormones are the answer. Still unhappy? Surgery is the answer.

Oh, that wasn’t the answer either and now you’re a detransitioner with a wrecked body.

I’m reminded of an episode of Frasier where Frasier and Niles join a new club and are convinced that the door they’re not allowed through is the next level of membership which will make them happier. They wheedle their way up and up, still not satisfied, until through the final door they find themselves out on the fire escape with the door clanging shut behind them, stranding them out there alone.

eatfigs · 12/07/2024 18:38

Thoroughly impressed with Wes for taking a rational stance on this. I think we need to be thanking Rosie for her positive influence though!

WickedSerious · 12/07/2024 18:40

ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 12/07/2024 15:29

They usually are.

WickedSerious · 12/07/2024 18:47

PronounssheRa · 12/07/2024 15:39

Jolyon has lost his shit and recommends families leave the UK..

He is behaving like a man lost to religious fervor

He's hilarious.

Unintentionally I know,but hilarious just the same.

GruntledGoblin · 12/07/2024 18:47

The usual suspects frothing and screaming gibberish. Every time I see Monty's accusations and distortions I truly wonder how the fuck such an individual retains their job. (Works with DH - and is as quiet as a lamb in the office apparently, away from the keyboard warrior-ing)

ScrollingLeaves · 12/07/2024 18:48

ThreeWordHarpy · 12/07/2024 17:34

It’s a no brainer for Wes if he can read. On the one hand, the calm, measured tones of Dr Cass and a comprehensive scientific report saying “no good evidence PBs help, some evidence they hurt”. Detransitioner testimonies and potential law suits for the NHS on the horizon. Mermaids investigation from Charities Commission pending. The Webberleys evading the law.

Get this right then when the brown stuff hits the fan he can say - it all happened under the previous lot and since day 1 of this government we’ve taken steps to ensure children are protected. Polish halo, look even more earnest.

what would be best if there was a massive investment in mental health support services for young people, but permanently banning PBs is a satisfactory first step to protecting them from permanent harm.

what would be best if there was a massive investment in mental health support services for young people

Exactly, this is what is missing.