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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Telegraph: Labour moves to ban puberty blockers permanently

303 replies

ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 12/07/2024 15:17

Wes is getting it in the neck online from the TRAs. He should stand firm.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/07/12/labour-ban-puberty-blockers-permanently-trans-stance/

"A ban on puberty blockers could be made permanentt_ as the Labour party takes a harder stance on transgender issues, The Telegraph can reveal.
Wes Streeting, the Health Secretary, intends to stop powerful hormone blockerss_ being given to children via any means, subject to the outcome of a legal hearing.
Laws to ban the blockers being supplied to children by private or off-shore clinics were passed by his predecessor, Victoria Atkins, in emergency legislation ahead of the general election.
These are due to expire on Sept 3 and the new Government has to decide whether to pass a law to make it permanent.._
It is understood that Labour will now seek to renew the ban with a view to making it permanent."

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Apolloneuro · 14/07/2024 12:09

Not closely related to this particular topic, but I think Starmer is listening to JK Rowling more than she might have thought.

BloodyHellKenAgain · 14/07/2024 12:14

Apolloneuro · 14/07/2024 12:09

Not closely related to this particular topic, but I think Starmer is listening to JK Rowling more than she might have thought.

Let's hope so

fromorbit · 14/07/2024 12:15

thirdfiddle · 14/07/2024 12:00

Gosh, it sounds like the grown ups are in charge. Not the first time I've said that in the last 10 days.
Some of the public statements being made are highly irresponsible and could put vulnerable young people at risk.
Damn right.

Great thread. It has put the ball back in the court of those who don't have any evidence.

Some Greens/ Lib Dems going crazy over this. By attacking Labour they actually make Streeting stronger.

Remember the more aggressive the TRAs get the better. Because it will backfire in other places.

eatfigs · 14/07/2024 12:16

Aside from anything else, it's refreshing to see government basing their decisions on evidence rather than rhetoric. A good start from Starmer and his colleagues.

UpThePankhurst · 14/07/2024 12:20

Thank you for sharing that thread. And wow, well done that man. Very clearly and simply explained.

ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 14/07/2024 12:23

AnnaMagnani · 14/07/2024 12:04

Oh God, my MP has come out all furious about this.

He's only been in 5 minutes, the area has been solid Tory since dinosaurs roamed the earth, and he's decided that this is the hill he should die on.

I should have known when he was a middle-aged man called Ian who thought we might not know what his pronouns were.

I think he may be deluded about why he got elected - we just wanted the Tories out.

This Ian? He's just been handed his arse:

"This is an important first step from @wesstreeting to #RestoreSafeguarding. However a #PublicInquiry remains necessary to establish why #safeguarding failed to such an extent in the first place.
The role that the online world, inappropriate teaching materials in schools & widespread institutional capture, including teaching unions such as @NEUnion, government departments such as @educationgovuk & charities including @NSPCC (which has statutory powers) has played in facilitating this scandal must be understood.

We are utterly disgusted by the attacks we have seen on Streeting, including death threats. This is unacceptable & damages democracy & freedom of speech.

We are also appalled to see MP’s such as @zarahsultana & @stellacreasy from @UKLabour & @IanSollom from @LibDems join in the condemnation of Streeting for the ‘crime’ of upholding the bare minimum of child protection standards.

Child protection is not a party political issue & this undermining of it must stop from all sides.

#Edutwitter #WomenED"

https://x.com/safeschoolsuk/status/1812442244101656848?s=46&t=WHoOZZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

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Apolloneuro · 14/07/2024 12:23

I’ve long thought that Wes Streeting is a potential future leader of the Labour Party.

To be fair, this move was initiated by the previous government, but good to know the current government are taking a firm stand (perhaps contrary to what some people feared)

AnnaMagnani · 14/07/2024 12:28

Sadly that Ian @ResisterOfTwaddleRex

DH currently sat next to me moaning 'why didn't I notice I was voting for a management consultant?' amongst other things. DH is a former management consultant and has a v low opinion of them.

Noticeable that some Lib Dem MPs avoid talking about the issue as much as physically possible. Unfortunately not mine.

UpThePankhurst · 14/07/2024 12:29

Excellent post from Safe Schools. A return to grown up politicians behaving in grown up ways is very badly needed.

Valdor · 14/07/2024 12:38

AnnaMagnani · 14/07/2024 12:04

Oh God, my MP has come out all furious about this.

He's only been in 5 minutes, the area has been solid Tory since dinosaurs roamed the earth, and he's decided that this is the hill he should die on.

I should have known when he was a middle-aged man called Ian who thought we might not know what his pronouns were.

I think he may be deluded about why he got elected - we just wanted the Tories out.

Email them and express your position.

Apolloneuro · 14/07/2024 12:41

Interestingly, somebody has claimed on Twitter that a puberty blocker pharma company is a major donor to the Lib Dem Party…

EmpressaurusDeiGatti · 14/07/2024 12:54

Apolloneuro · 14/07/2024 12:41

Interestingly, somebody has claimed on Twitter that a puberty blocker pharma company is a major donor to the Lib Dem Party…

Completely true. They’ve had millions from Ferring Pharmaceuticals, it’s all documented.

CocoapuffPuff · 14/07/2024 13:06

Yeah, they've sold themselves.

KohlaParasaurus · 14/07/2024 13:32

SinnerBoy · 14/07/2024 12:07

OvaHere · Yesterday 20:25

I don't know what these girls at your school were taking but it was unlikely to be puberty blockers.

I have a very slight knowledge of this, my ex has a daughter, who is very tall and was over 6 feet by the age of 12. She had some kind of human growth hormone excess and was put on treatment to suppress that - she stopped growing at 6' 5"

I've no idea what the drug was, but I'm willing to bet that someone here will.

It sounds as if your ex's daughter may have had pituitary gigantism, which is very uncommon. It's usually caused by a benign tumour of the pituitary producing too much growth hormone before the epiphyses of the long bones have fused (the same biochemical abnormality in adulthood causes acromegaly), and treatment is directed at removing the tumour whenever possible. The medication is likely to have been octreotide, which is unrelated to puberty blockers or oestrogen.

SinnerBoy · 14/07/2024 14:58

KohlaParasaurus · Today 13:32

Thanks for that, it was definitely a pituitary disorder, that much I remember.

borntobequiet · 14/07/2024 16:01

I used this email address to say thanks

[email protected]

ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 14/07/2024 17:57

Posted on the other thread but will add here too.

LGBT+ Labour responds to the story "reported Friday" but after he's set out his position on X

Note they're after a "trans-inclusive ban" on conversion practices in the King's Speech:

"An Open Letter to Wes Streeting MP from Dylan Naylor, LGBT+ Labour Trans officer (on Behalf of the National Committee) & Willow Parker, Labour Students' National Trans Officer

Dear Secretary of State,

We, the undersigned, are writing to you on behalf of the LGBT+ Labour national committee, and in accord with a great number of members and voters, to express our concerns over the impact of the decision, reported Friday, to extend indefinitely the current ban on puberty blockers for trans youth and to further request that you set out a clear timetable to allow access to quality health care for young trans people as part of safe clinical trials.

This recent decision, made subject to the outcome of a judicial review, appears to have been taken following the publication of the Independent Review of Gender Identity Services for Children and Young People (the ‘Cass Review’) earlier this year. Our concerns about the review (which are a matter of public record and about which we have met with you privately) aside, it is clear that protecting the mental and physical wellbeing of vulnerable, young trans people must be our over-riding concern. It is therefore vital that you clearly outline the scope and scale of the clinical trial that you have made a manifesto commitment to implementing (as outlined in recommendations 6, 18, 19, 20, and 21 of the review) and provide clarification to those who were waiting to start a prescription of GnRH analogues before the ban took effect.

In line with the review’s recommendations, steps must be taken to cut waiting lists for trans youth, address long-term staffing issues, move towards a more decentralised, equitable system for accessing care (including through the provision of regional centres), provide comprehensive training for NHS staff on how best to support and work sensitively with trans and questioning young people, and better address the current toxicity of public debate which is actively harmful to young people.

We ask that you urgently set out the timeline, scope, and nature of the planned clinical trial and that you give reassurance to young trans people, their families and communities. We also urge you to outline any existing plans to consult and engage with young trans people and their families, and relevant charities and NGOs.

We hope that, under this new Labour government, progress can be made to reset the public discussion on trans rights, centring the humanity of, and compassion for, each individual trans person. We reiterate our calls for a de-medicalised system of statutory self-declaration for gender recognition and a review of Labour’s internal process of handling complaints about transphobic conduct within our party. Further to this, we are writing to the Leader of the House of Commons to encourage the inclusion of a promised trans-inclusive ban on conversion practices in the upcoming King’s Speech.
Yours in solidarity,

Dylan Naylor
Trans Officer, LGBT+ Labour
(On behalf of the LGBT+ Labour National Committee)

Willow Parker
Trans Officer, Labour Students"

www.lgbtlabour.org.uk/openletterronpubertyyblockers

x.com/lgbtlabour/status/1812489644128276866?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

x.com/lgbtlabour/status/1812489646674206915?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

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UpThePankhurst · 14/07/2024 18:19

progress can be made to reset the public discussion on trans rights, centring the humanity of, and compassion for, each individual trans person

By which they actually mean 'Progress can be made in forcibly silencing women and centering the rights of men to use and exclude them.'

Yes, fuck off with that. Everyone has equal humanity and requires equal compassion, not just males with special identity choices.

Madder than a box of frogs.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 14/07/2024 18:41

UpThePankhurst · 14/07/2024 18:19

progress can be made to reset the public discussion on trans rights, centring the humanity of, and compassion for, each individual trans person

By which they actually mean 'Progress can be made in forcibly silencing women and centering the rights of men to use and exclude them.'

Yes, fuck off with that. Everyone has equal humanity and requires equal compassion, not just males with special identity choices.

Madder than a box of frogs.

Indeed - it's "Operation let them speak" in glorious technicolour. With the addition of threats and violence aimed at the thoughtful gay man politician who has actually read Cass, is concerned about the clear evidence of unethical experimental medical treatment of healthy but mentally vulnerable children and is saying no.

A word that few transacticvists have encountered in recent years, despite their demands becoming more and more unhinged.

EmpressaurusDeiGatti · 14/07/2024 19:04

Anneliese Dodds has retweeted Wes Streeting’s excellent thread, so that’s encouraging.

India’s very cross with LGBT Labour though.

StickItInTheFamilyAlbum · 14/07/2024 19:06

EmpressaurusDeiGatti · 14/07/2024 19:04

Anneliese Dodds has retweeted Wes Streeting’s excellent thread, so that’s encouraging.

India’s very cross with LGBT Labour though.

Did she comment and RT or just RT?

2AND2GC · 14/07/2024 19:20

Thank God.

RoseAndGeranium · 14/07/2024 19:33

EmpressaurusDeiGatti · 14/07/2024 19:04

Anneliese Dodds has retweeted Wes Streeting’s excellent thread, so that’s encouraging.

India’s very cross with LGBT Labour though.

Oh that is very good news. Possibly she’s just holding the line as directed in the expectation she’ll be able to curry favour with the TQ+ lobby by dismantling women’s rights later on. But even so, it suggests there is some unity in the front bench on implementing Cass’s recommendations.

mrshoho · 14/07/2024 19:43

EmpressaurusDeiGatti · 14/07/2024 19:04

Anneliese Dodds has retweeted Wes Streeting’s excellent thread, so that’s encouraging.

India’s very cross with LGBT Labour though.

I might have to take a little peak at windy

RoseAndGeranium · 14/07/2024 20:21

StickItInTheFamilyAlbum · 14/07/2024 19:06

Did she comment and RT or just RT?

Just an RT. So somewhat grudging support?

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