Do women in the U.K. know or care about the threat to women’s and girls rights now they’ve voted labour?

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i know the tories record on public services are abysmal and bar some genuine believers like Kemi Badenoch the tories would likely go the trans route if they thought it would buy them votes. But, currently it’s the tories who offered to protect women and girls from the trans madness. My question is - which women voted in trans loving, women - hating Labour?

we can look forward to -

1. continued gender ideology being pumped out in schools
2. conversion ban - you better hope your child doesn’t start questioning their gender out loud because TRA ridden schools will be referring them to gender clinics and socially transitioning them now they have a mandate
3. same sex attracted lesbians (myself included) it’s completely game over. Keep your head down and your mouth shut. Trans identified males and their female allies have already closed down every women only night. Same sex attracted women are now labelled bigots. We are no longer welcome in London’s LGBT soup community
4. prisons - what happens to vulnerable women? They are already disbelieved and dismissed. Now they have to endure the staring and various forms of sexual harrassment that goes with being incarcerated with men

i can only hope our political landscape mirrors America and in the same way Trump will be voted back in this year, we will have The Tories being led by Kemi back in in 4 years time.

omg I can’t believe we have to kiss goodbye to women’s rights - for the next four years

back to my original question. Apart from TRA idealouges, why have women voted these clowns in? Is it that they prioritise the Tories terrible record on public services over this? Do some women not see it as a huge issue? would love to hear from some posters who voted Labour.

Thanks & stay safe out there, as women we have woken up to a a dark chapter in history today

No, I wouldn't feel differently because they are still men. There is nothing that a man can do to become a woman, nothing at all. Synthetic hormones and the removal of their genitalia will not and never will make them a woman. They're not born with the 'wrong' genitalia, they're born with the correct genitalia for their chromosomes.

I wake up every morning wishing I was taller and younger but. ..biological reality. Dammit

A more.practical discussion would be for one of you to actually address how you want to confirm who is and isn't a woman since you get it wrong so often?

I wake up every day that I had the correct amount of melanin in my skin to give me sun protection, that my size 14 arse was a ten, that my brain didn’t need medication to regulate dopamine and that I was 25.

I don’t insist that the world agrees that I’m tanned twenty-something and gives me a place on the next series of Love Island, though. Thank god, because I’d look a twat.

Ok so personal experiences so common over the course of centuries they pass into undisputed fact. We don't need to keep testing if Dave can overpower Jane - we know this.

I repeat - evidence can support a principle but the principle can stand alone.

Attempts to undermine this principle are pseudo-scientific gaslighting - they should be ignored. We can provide examples of men behaving badly in women's spaces - but we shouldn't need to desperately justify ourselves constantly - in doing so we tacitly accept that transwomen are different, somehow. They're not. They are men and we know men don't belong in womens spaces.

The start of this ludicrous chain of posts was you suggesting that I wasn't an intersectional feminist because I was too focused on principle. I still maintain that the principle is where we should focus our efforts - all the opposition have is anecdata about their hurt feelings and need for validation and we should rise above.

That's funny, how did you assess someone's gametes from a photo ?

Why is your friend's daughter happier living as if she were a boy? Perhaps because of the pornified world we live in which sees everything as a commodity including - especially including - women's bodies. Your friend's DD may be a Lesbian, and Lesbians in particular are being hounded by the trans lobby. Poor, poor girl.

A person waking up everyday wishing they had different genitalia should not be able to demand access to female single sex spaces if they are not a female person.

A male person with a body modification does not become a female person. They are forever a male person with a body modification.

"A thought I have asked myself recently is would women who don't agree with sharing their personal spaces with transgender males feel differently if there was a law that stated only men who have had gender reassignment operations qualify to share female public toilets etc 🤔"

What is the difference between a male person who elects to have their penis and testicles removed and a male person who has to have their penis and testicles removed due to disease or injury? Why should one group of male people get access when the other group would not?

Do you have evidence that a male without a penis commits sex offences at the same rate or lower than the general female population in the UK?

Another non-answer. How does someone identify as a woman?

We can all recognise a woman from the bodily manifestations of being a large gamete producer. That's how. I know a hawk from a handshaw, and a man from a woman - even if he's wearing a pinafore dress and an Alice band.

That's a philosophical discussion, even amongst biological women. It doesn't actually get us anywhere. I'm asking you a practical question.

Another non-answer. How does someone identify as a woman?

And what are they actually identifying as? Where has this nebulous "woman" concept come from that so many large gamete people seem to identify with?

Except @Helleofabore and others couldn't though 🤔

It’s totally disturbing isn’t it ?

So, no? You cannot engage in discussion?

I did also say in my post to you that no one has said that people can be 100% accurate in their identification and some female athletes would be wrongly accused. Have I said in this post you are referring to anything that contradicts that?

Or ... did you miss that in your haste in this ill aimed 'gotcha'?

It’s not really about whether the male midwives live happy and fulfilling lives though, but whether their female patients are comfortable with being treated by a male.
Some women are, some aren’t. Whether or not the man is happy being a midwife is not really the point here.
As for health care being a privilege - hmm. Shouldn’t it be a basic right in a civilised society?

On the internet...without the usual visual cues. Hmmm

It’s a simple question. No one seems to be able to answer it though.

Maybe because you, and everyone else despite wanting to be kind and inclusive, knows it’s impossible. That’s why you can’t answer it.

Don't look at me. I'm now a single issue voter on this very issue. I value women's rights. I want to see children with mental health difficulties supported rather than mutilated. I don't want vulnerable women in prison raped. I don't think there's anything wrong with single sex attraction and think people should be perfectly free to sleep with whatever consenting adult will have them.

I'm gutted that these views are now controversial and that I will probably have to spend the next 5 years seeing them challenged and derided.

True and they're often very open about this on their forums. Here's a recent example, heterosexual male likes his penis but wants a "feminine word" for it:

https://old.reddit.com/r/MtF/comments/1dltezo/sexy_sensual_feminine_words_for_penis_when/

You, do you

It's not a gotcha, it's the ill effects of your paranoia about trans people on real people that you all minimise and deny. The fact that the thread and the public apology thread to that woman who was so upset were both deleted is very telling.

Why would that be of interest to me - I'm equally as uninterested to know how you might identify / express. PLUS, I cannot speak for how another person identifies. Even if we share the same reproductive organs.

I was right to assume your reasoning behind that question was not in good faith - hence the surface answer.

You @AccidentallyWesAnderson are not as accidental as you might think - a film maker who some state to be - "just tired of seeing the same characters, given the same dialogue, and [Anderson] shooting everything in the exact same way [...] Why don't you grow as a filmmaker?"

Feel the same way about some of the views on this thread - the pursuit of rigidity, order, a failed (and failing - because it cannot be done) attempt at standardising gender expression.

I agree with you
The trans communities will be put under a spotlight that that mostly don’t want
It’s the predators we are worried about that will use this as a “licence “ to perve at women young girls and children in our designated safe spaces
Emily Pankhurst and her fellow ladies did not fight and die for this. We must protect their memory .. 2 ladies died and many suffered for our vote as biologically born women 🫶

You clearly state ‘identifies as a woman’. Don’t state something you can’t define.