Do women in the U.K. know or care about the threat to women’s and girls rights now they’ve voted labour?

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i know the tories record on public services are abysmal and bar some genuine believers like Kemi Badenoch the tories would likely go the trans route if they thought it would buy them votes. But, currently it’s the tories who offered to protect women and girls from the trans madness. My question is - which women voted in trans loving, women - hating Labour?

we can look forward to -

1. continued gender ideology being pumped out in schools
2. conversion ban - you better hope your child doesn’t start questioning their gender out loud because TRA ridden schools will be referring them to gender clinics and socially transitioning them now they have a mandate
3. same sex attracted lesbians (myself included) it’s completely game over. Keep your head down and your mouth shut. Trans identified males and their female allies have already closed down every women only night. Same sex attracted women are now labelled bigots. We are no longer welcome in London’s LGBT soup community
4. prisons - what happens to vulnerable women? They are already disbelieved and dismissed. Now they have to endure the staring and various forms of sexual harrassment that goes with being incarcerated with men

i can only hope our political landscape mirrors America and in the same way Trump will be voted back in this year, we will have The Tories being led by Kemi back in in 4 years time.

omg I can’t believe we have to kiss goodbye to women’s rights - for the next four years

back to my original question. Apart from TRA idealouges, why have women voted these clowns in? Is it that they prioritise the Tories terrible record on public services over this? Do some women not see it as a huge issue? would love to hear from some posters who voted Labour.

Thanks & stay safe out there, as women we have woken up to a a dark chapter in history today

That reads as 'oh go on, hand over women's rights and equality, he's sad and has had a tough time'.

However distressed a man, you cannot fix his problems by making women distressed too and taking away their equality. The women that distressed man will in particular displace from women's spaces have their problems too. Hurting them as a gesture of what, pity? to him, helps how?

What is this based on? Is it some sense of ritual sacrifice? Or a belief that male humans matter and female ones don't, and owe whatever they have in service to male need?

Create spaces to meet additional needs, all the extra spaces needed, I'm all for inclusion. But no, we're not sacrificing women to cheer up men, I'm sorry but the iron age is a bit passe now.

It's not a simple question though. Theres biological females who don't "identify" with the word woman or womanhood. It's a straw man argument.
I'm also asking a simple question you all ignore. How do you want women to prove to you they are biologically female?

Large gamete producers do not identify as women, they are women. And there is no way for a non-large-gamete-producer to have any idea what it feels like to be a woman. I can't tell you, but I know I am a woman - and I know the person who turns up in a changing room near me is a man, for all his curly hair, earings and making sure I saw his pretend vulva (which no woman would do in that situation - I was drying my hair ffs!) because he realised I knew what he was and that he had no business being there.

Are you really instructing women less privileged than you, that being intimately handled by a male is the cost of female health care?

It does sound like it, doesn’t it? “Stop complaining women, be grateful you get access to healthcare at all.“

🤔 We have an abundance of accepted & highly respected male gynaecologists. Should male midwives not be offered the same respect working within their chosen profession.

I am a biological female. I have no gender identity, i.e. I don't 'identify' as a woman. Do you want to know why? Because I AM a woman.

And you seem incapable of having a discussion about women's sports.

Did you post the link to where you took that screen shot? Seems rather strange that an advanced search on my own history doesn't produce the context of the post, yet you have posted it here on this thread. Please post the link from where you have taken this screen shot.

Again because you seem to be unable to engage with what has been posted. Up until the Atlanta Olympics all female people had to be tested to ensure they were female athletes. There was a reason for this. Because a swab from inside the cheek is 100% reliable compared to identifying someone from a photo.

Would you care to discuss how you think allowing male people to participate in female sports categories helps any female who might not be identifiable as female from an image on a screen? Do you agree that sporting bodies that allow male people to compete as female people have caused the increase in female people being asked about their sex?

Ok that's you though. Shocker -others feel differently!

I agree with some of what you've said OP, but even so would never, ever vote Tory.

And? They are still biological woman. The end. I don’t believe anyone can identify as anyone else so if they don’t identify with womanhood this doesn’t make them any less female.

Why do I need to prove if women are biologically female? I want to know how men identify as woman from the women who believe this to be a possibility. Incorrectly referring to a woman as a man based on appearances has nothing to do with that.

Keep trying for your gotcha.

Quite. The question about 'identifying' is not neutral - the question itself is entrenched in gender ideology.

I do not identify as anything. I just am a woman.

There's a lot of crap that goes along with being a woman and I know I can't just identify out of it just because I feel like it.

I'm also one of these and fully agree.

Saw this on Ovarit recently and it was so on point I had to save it for discussions like this.

That's a philosophical discussion, even amongst biological women. It doesn't actually get us anywhere. I'm asking you a practical question.

So you get to ask questions and others don't? Right.

Shocker -others feel differently!

Fascinating. How exactly does it mean a man can be a woman?

The entire point is why should we have to. Why do we have male people who have forced access to female single sex spaces and into female sports categories?

Is your point that because some female people cannot tell with 100% accuracy that we should therefore not have the expectation that we should have female single sex spaces and female sports categories? What are you actually trying to say with your posts?

Large gamete producers do not identify as women, they are women.

Yes, I know, it was to a pp.

Yep

Mmmmn noo this is my own thoughts thank you, have been establishing my thinking for over 40 year thank you - Why did you feel the need to discount it?

😂 The Oatmeal - you are not going to believe what I am about to tell you -

It's a comic that I've added to this years reading list for undergrads - whatever the political football at the time - gun laws, gender, etc. worth it Neural correlates of maintaining one’s political beliefs in the face of counterevidence

https://theoatmeal.com/comics/believe?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR1NYkkOnxf5RFYRc2MJbCXRc_SHuo3uOshLVtPJpuNIYKDrgJsVN0DqKfo_aem_FBA4pCDH4wGwK58ejcHwBg

Mmmmn noo this is my own thoughts thank you, have been establishing my thinking for over 40 year thank you - Why did you feel the need to discount it?

Because it's empty verbiage.

As I said for a group who demand evidence of you policing women's femininity you sure do like to delete threads where you're outed for doing so don't you? As for the link, I posted that up thread where someone kindly saved your ignorance on the way back machine. The public apology thread was swiftly deleted too. I'm not going to get into a whole side debate about sports with you when you can't actually tell me how you would like woman to prove their sex to you. Perhaps you could actually read up on why sex verification in sport was stopped before you keep harping on about it being so great and reliable.

I don't believe in "gender" as anything other than sex stereotypes so no amount of waffly airy prose about "gender" is going to make sense to me.

Many other sources can give this distinction. This is an example. It's nice to know someone who is = as into sources though - I called out a crappy murdoch one earlier.

Show me your sources.

Actually, don't bother replying to my other reply.