Do women in the U.K. know or care about the threat to women’s and girls rights now they’ve voted labour?

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i know the tories record on public services are abysmal and bar some genuine believers like Kemi Badenoch the tories would likely go the trans route if they thought it would buy them votes. But, currently it’s the tories who offered to protect women and girls from the trans madness. My question is - which women voted in trans loving, women - hating Labour?

we can look forward to -

1. continued gender ideology being pumped out in schools
2. conversion ban - you better hope your child doesn’t start questioning their gender out loud because TRA ridden schools will be referring them to gender clinics and socially transitioning them now they have a mandate
3. same sex attracted lesbians (myself included) it’s completely game over. Keep your head down and your mouth shut. Trans identified males and their female allies have already closed down every women only night. Same sex attracted women are now labelled bigots. We are no longer welcome in London’s LGBT soup community
4. prisons - what happens to vulnerable women? They are already disbelieved and dismissed. Now they have to endure the staring and various forms of sexual harrassment that goes with being incarcerated with men

i can only hope our political landscape mirrors America and in the same way Trump will be voted back in this year, we will have The Tories being led by Kemi back in in 4 years time.

omg I can’t believe we have to kiss goodbye to women’s rights - for the next four years

back to my original question. Apart from TRA idealouges, why have women voted these clowns in? Is it that they prioritise the Tories terrible record on public services over this? Do some women not see it as a huge issue? would love to hear from some posters who voted Labour.

Thanks & stay safe out there, as women we have woken up to a a dark chapter in history today

Which is why a lot of us don't much care for gender identity. What somebody identifies as isn't our business, until they campaign for their identity to trump our sex-based rights.

It's biological sex class that is concrete and has protections. Ones that are at risk, and that we want to keep.

Spoken like a true man

Then I'm afraid we can't be friends.
Live long + prosper.

In the UK over the last decade, more TWs have committed murder than been murdered. TW are not vulnerable.

Because the idea that a person who is born as a female and identifies as a women goes against your view?

Okay then.

"Gender is about prisms not partitions in my view. Its not binary - it's messy and beautiful."
This is what Chat GPT would produce if you only ever fed it Judith Butler and Helen Steiner Rice.

No we bloody well cannot be friends! You obviously care not a jot about women or our rights. So bye bye👋🏻.

Considering gender identity is based on only a philosophical belief, and it cannot be supported with scientific or medical evidence how was ChishiyaBat's belief incorrect please.

Sex is based in material reality. It is proven and well established scientifically. Gender identity is not. Don't forget that gender identity includes over 100 categories as well.

Please tell us what was incorrect about Chishiya' post.

Stats / sources please.

Maybe she'll be refused treatment:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12398959/Retired-solicitor-left-deaths-door-surgery-cancelled-dared-object-trans-woman-nurse-hospital-room-tells-shocking-story-vowing-cancel-Im-not-scared-speak-out.html

I don't care for people that dismiss or use hurtful language toward a group of already very marginalised + risk and vulnerable people because they think that by supporting their rights that this throw womens rights under a bus.

I told you we could list the rationale for this widely accepted belief without giving examples based on personal experience. Do I actually need to do that?

• religious grounds for needing separate spaces to men
• the acknowledgement that 99% of sexual crimes perpetrated against women and girls are perpetrated by men
• the acknowledgement of the role of testosterone in patterns of offending behaviour
• the acknowledgement that men are almost always stronger than any women or girl and can therefore over power them
• dignity - the acceptance that most people would prefer not to be in state of undress amongst strangers of the opposite sex

Now, I would accept the argument that the real issue is male offending but doesn't look like we're going to get very far with that one anytime soon. So what we do is protect women and girls as far as possible.

The fact that you are asked for examples of ableism and homophobia is just proof of the existence of those things (or even just curiosity). It is now widely accepted that they are also unacceptable. The pace of change may not be fast enough but at a policy level, there are frameworks in place to address these issues.

As I said, we need to make policy from the point of principle not in response to personal anecdote. They may support the policy but there will be just as many that don't. (See - 'I know loads of lovely trans people'). Are you suggesting we wait until we have a fresh mountain of evidence against allowing women and girls to have single spaces. That would be a bit risky wouldn't it, since we already know the reasons, as a society, why we shouldn't. I really don't see what's controversial about that.

How are trans women more vulnerable?
If they pass, then apparently I don't know who they are so they can be no more vulnerable than any woman.

If they don't pass, they are more often late transitioning men who I read as male but obviously wanting to attempt to look female. I don't regard middle aged males as especially vulnerable.

If they don't pass and are young transitioners they are usually autistic and vulnerable because of their autism, or middle class blue hair student types and really quite privileged in the grand scheme of things.

Or perhaps she'll be found guilty of a hate crime:

https://www.pslhub.org/blogs/entry/5742-patients-may-be-guilty-of-discrimination-if-they-refuse-care-of-transgender-medic-nhs-bosses-told/

I did a quick Google search and landed straight back on this forum from the top results. Now what?

How does someone ‘identify as a woman’. What does this entail?

I expect staff would be delighted to have such responsibilities, and of course any wrongdoers would immediately apologise and remove themselves if challenged.

Seriously?

Think it's a healthy debate that's needed.

It's healthy to be challenged about our beliefs and prejudice / bias.

My lunch is up but Ill come back to the link 👍🏼

not in uk so my first google results might be different

'gender identify / expression, what's the difference"

www.ohrc.on.ca/en/policy-preventing-discrimination-because-gender-identity-and-gender-expression/3-gender-identity-and-gender-expression#:~:text=A%20person's%20gender%20identity%20may,up%2C%20body%20language%20and%20voice.

Wow!

Reals echoes of 'reframe your trauma'. Is that you Mridul?

I don't care for people who don't respect women and their rights. I don't care for people who say nem can become women. I am entitled to my opinion and it isn't hurtful to tell the truth, they aren't as marginalised or vulnerable as they portray from what I can see either!

Would you like to point out where I was wrong in the post you have just posted that screen shot in answer to?

Would you like to post a link to that screen shot so I know what it was that I was discussing?

Looking at the screenshot, what I have said there actually supports the post in which you posted that screenshot in answer to. If sporting groups did not allow any male athletes to compete in female categories, it would mean that female people would have much greater confidence that only female people were competing in that event.

I have never denied that some female people will be falsely accused without testing that will give a very high degree of confidence. I even pointed this out in my post.

I'm not here to trigger - I think if you look at my posts on this thread you'll see that they are largely links to policy, legislation and fact checking inaccurate and often unkind comments.

No I'm asking you, in your opinion. I’m not clicking on any links.

Well, that’s quite pathetic.