Do women in the U.K. know or care about the threat to women’s and girls rights now they’ve voted labour?

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i know the tories record on public services are abysmal and bar some genuine believers like Kemi Badenoch the tories would likely go the trans route if they thought it would buy them votes. But, currently it’s the tories who offered to protect women and girls from the trans madness. My question is - which women voted in trans loving, women - hating Labour?

we can look forward to -

1. continued gender ideology being pumped out in schools
2. conversion ban - you better hope your child doesn’t start questioning their gender out loud because TRA ridden schools will be referring them to gender clinics and socially transitioning them now they have a mandate
3. same sex attracted lesbians (myself included) it’s completely game over. Keep your head down and your mouth shut. Trans identified males and their female allies have already closed down every women only night. Same sex attracted women are now labelled bigots. We are no longer welcome in London’s LGBT soup community
4. prisons - what happens to vulnerable women? They are already disbelieved and dismissed. Now they have to endure the staring and various forms of sexual harrassment that goes with being incarcerated with men

i can only hope our political landscape mirrors America and in the same way Trump will be voted back in this year, we will have The Tories being led by Kemi back in in 4 years time.

omg I can’t believe we have to kiss goodbye to women’s rights - for the next four years

back to my original question. Apart from TRA idealouges, why have women voted these clowns in? Is it that they prioritise the Tories terrible record on public services over this? Do some women not see it as a huge issue? would love to hear from some posters who voted Labour.

Thanks & stay safe out there, as women we have woken up to a a dark chapter in history today

Like others, I'm a GC woman who voted Labour. The erosion of women's rights and protections has happened under them in the last 14 years, just because Liz Truss once said that women don't have a penis, doesn't make them the champions and heroes to GC women that some of you think it does.

Stonewall has run riot over the last 14 years pretty much unchecked.

I consider myself politically homeless because none of the parties tick all of my important boxes, which are in no specific order: tackling the climate crisis, women's rights, rights for the disabled, supporting those on low incomes, and a functional NHS.

My local labour candidate has an excellent track record of service to my constituency. I can't stand what the Tory candidate in post did for the country, and they certainly did nothing good for the area. For all that I think Starmer will give us the right wing Labour party that I don't want, Labour is still better aligned with my values.

Am I worried that Labour will further erode women's rights? Yes. Do I think that the Tories would protect us significantly? No. They have an awful track record on issues that disproportionately impact women.

If you can say that so blithely it indicates that you have very little idea of whats been going on.
Extraordinarily little in the circumstances.

The way in which a trans women lives.

They aren't women, they are male. So it's a male experience, seen from a male perspective. They have no idea what being a woman is.

Sorry meant to quote.

@inamarina You mean like when so many posters here cyber bullied Anna Harold and then only a few apologised and then deleted the apology thread? Or the women who have publicly put their names and faces to their stories or being harassed in toilets and changing rooms? Or the amount of posters that defend an OP whenever they post about mistakenly challenging a biological woman and will say it's their fault for "looking like men"?

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20240526190243/www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5082977-first-woman-home-in-the-great-west-run-today" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://web.archive.org/web/20240526190243/www.mumsnet.com/talk/womensrights/5082977-first-woman-home-in-the-great-west-run-today

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/amibeingunreasonable/5064028-was-i-out-of-order

And yet no one challenges the anonymous GC posters who are all regularly bumping into trans women with visible lacy underwear and their penis showing which you all instantly believe even though none of you are willing to publicly put your names to your stories? Or provide even a hint of proof? I"ll keep an eye out for you challenging those posters on here yeah?

I completely agree. Feeling really down today. Clearly the Tories were horrendous, but I share your worries about this issue. Let's hope there's some proper cross-party work going on with the likes of Kemi and Rosie continuing to speak up. Joanna Cherry a huge loss.

No. In this particular debate, there doesn't need to be any evidence. It is a point of principle - and historically widely accepted - that men do not have any place in women's spaces. Single sex spaces have been recognised as a necessity for a very long time. The 'trans' is not even relevant because transwomen are just men. We could even list the reasons why this is the case without citing individual experience very easily.

Getting into personal experience - or theoretical experience - can be helpful if you want to prove a point (or stir up some outrage) but ultimately it just leads to a lot of whataboutery. This thread proves that.

Funny how experiences and 'proof' are demanded when we're talking about misogyny and not other kinds of discrimination.

Mmmmmm no.

This is an anonymous forum, people don't "publicly put their names" to posts describing being sexually harassed in public.

Perceived? You have either been living a very sheltered life, or you are not who you say.

Okay thanks for that - I see that Andrew Gilligan did a freedom of info request in relation to complaints made between 2017 and 2018

I think that to some extent it will depend on the system in place. Clearly seeing someone in a state of undress is not acceptable, and the system I described does not allow that to happen. The common areas with both men and women (and also with children) everyone is clothed/in swimsuits, and the amount of people around and the level of staffing makes it less likely that there would be an assault in the changing room than in the swimming pool.

I think if more studies were done, it would not so much what is done but how it is done which is important.

And also tacking the underlying causes of abuses. You are looking at a situation where it is the norm for tweens to see porn and talk about it, it appears in open view in shops, books aimed at tweens have women in bondage clothes. It has a devastating effect on their psyche and the psyche of girls around them, contributes to how these boys see women and how they end up treating women unless an adult steps in to change how they see things and stop them viewing the inappropriate material. It is hard work for parents to try to undo the damage of all this. This really needs to change. This is just one example of root causes of the problems.

I know a TW well, they had tweens when they transitioned. There are a lot of issues around the sort of advice they got and the counselling they got and the sort of services offered to them and their children and wife at the time of transition. This also needs to be looked at.

So a mans interpretation of womanhood then. It's bollocks a man can never know what womanhood is like no matter how hard he pretends.

Never happens
Overblown
Daily Fail headlines

https://x.com/SophieMolly_OFF/status/1809034561495380223

Or maybe people like you could hold off confidently calling a biological woman a man with 100% confidence based on nothing but deciding she doesn't look feminine enough.

So I'm referring to the times where I've experienced health care by males.

Then the point that if someone was uncomfortable, they could ask to see someone else.

Perhaps this patient is uncomfortable because of how the professional presents (i.e. their identity). If a person is asking for a different health care professional because of protected characteristics, I personally view this as discrimination (i.e. race, age etc), but on the other hand, this person might be triggered, they may have PTSD and associate it with the professional.

That's a very different example to a person who has a blanket default "no, not you, I want a different health professional" because you are a male / trans etc.

That's a very different example to a person who has a blanket default "no, not you, I want a different health professional" because you are a male / trans etc.

Because they are the opposite sex. It's a perfectly reasonable thing to refuse intimate care from the opposite sex and the NHS has always acknowledged that it is something people often ask for.

Sorry you have that view. Some of the most fabulous woman I know are trans.

I know what view of womenhood I'd rather.

Gender is about prisms not partitions in my view. Its not binary - it's messy and beautiful.

At the end of the day, I think most people want to live a safe and fulfilled life with 0 violence.

Funny how experiences and 'proof' are demanded when we're talking about misogyny and not other kinds of discrimination.

Im constantly asked for proof when I am discussing my experiences of ablism and disability.

Equally when I’m discussing homophobia.

Women accept that misogyny exists and acts on other women far more easily than able bodied people believe in ableism or straight people believe in incidents of homophobia.

No. In this particular debate, there doesn't need to be any evidence. It is a point of principle - and historically widely accepted.

Very little ought to be accepted without evidence. And even less without debate. Especially not policy and legislation which has influence over everyone’s life.

It was historically agreed that the principle of marriage was a man and a woman, with all sorts of spurious claims that gay people/relationships/marriage would damage the very fabric of society- but the fact there was never any evidence of this being true helped people change their minds.

The evidence of harm being done is vital to the maintaining of women’s spaces for women- without evidence then arguing for single sex spaces is just a ‘belief’ that it would be harmful to loose them. And people can believe any old rubbish, no one has to take them seriously.

No some of the most fabulous men you have met are trans, humans cannot change sex! Gender identity is made up it's sex that people are born with, if you believe in gender identity that is up to you, but it doesn't change facts. You can identify as whatever you want, but others do not see the same as you, others do not have to validate someones gender identity.
I identify as a 5ft 10 raven haired supermodel, that's how I want others to see me, but in reality they will see what I actually am a 4ft 10 blonde overweight middle aged woman.

According to all the trans people I've seen on tiktok this morning Labour and anyone that voted Labour evidently wants trans people dead.
So both sides seem to be saying "They hate us, no they hate us their on your side, bollocks it's your side their on."

Which goes to show ain't nobody got a clue where they will end up standing on the issue. So stop stiring the pot, give it some time and see where the land lies.

No, still not getting it.

Its the reasonable request - 'i would like a female member of staff to perform that intimate examination'. Followed by the potential 'ah but Dave is female, that's how he identifies so you need to suck it up else risk offending Dave'. And offending a bloke is the ultimate act of female insubordination.

Same and same
These are the things that matter most to me too.

A quick google search will tell you that your beliefs on gender and sex are incorrect.

My most fabulous women pals concur. Your attempt to invalidate them by referring to them as men says it all. It's unkind, a distraction and inaccurate.

How about - in the event that you should ever encounter this in life - you let us know how it goes.

Keep us posted.

Umm no it won't.
Again not women, they are men I am simply stating fact. I give zero fucks about being kind, all I care about is being treated fairly as a woman and the rights of all women(not men).