Do women in the U.K. know or care about the threat to women’s and girls rights now they’ve voted labour?

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i know the tories record on public services are abysmal and bar some genuine believers like Kemi Badenoch the tories would likely go the trans route if they thought it would buy them votes. But, currently it’s the tories who offered to protect women and girls from the trans madness. My question is - which women voted in trans loving, women - hating Labour?

we can look forward to -

1. continued gender ideology being pumped out in schools
2. conversion ban - you better hope your child doesn’t start questioning their gender out loud because TRA ridden schools will be referring them to gender clinics and socially transitioning them now they have a mandate
3. same sex attracted lesbians (myself included) it’s completely game over. Keep your head down and your mouth shut. Trans identified males and their female allies have already closed down every women only night. Same sex attracted women are now labelled bigots. We are no longer welcome in London’s LGBT soup community
4. prisons - what happens to vulnerable women? They are already disbelieved and dismissed. Now they have to endure the staring and various forms of sexual harrassment that goes with being incarcerated with men

i can only hope our political landscape mirrors America and in the same way Trump will be voted back in this year, we will have The Tories being led by Kemi back in in 4 years time.

omg I can’t believe we have to kiss goodbye to women’s rights - for the next four years

back to my original question. Apart from TRA idealouges, why have women voted these clowns in? Is it that they prioritise the Tories terrible record on public services over this? Do some women not see it as a huge issue? would love to hear from some posters who voted Labour.

Thanks & stay safe out there, as women we have woken up to a a dark chapter in history today

I'm as GC as the come and I genuinely have no concerns about Labour. I have been paying attention and there is literally nothing to see.

That’s not how OP was worded though, was it? It implies that anyone who voted Labour doesn’t care AT ALL about ANY of women’s rights

those women born into a male body

What is this gender souls nonsense.

I should have been retiring in 4 years, thanks to the tories, I’ll have to wait 12. How the fuck are tories protecting women’s rights?

I don’t understand, given the absolute shit show that this country has become, why you’re all hung up about a single issue.

Im more concerned with the number of children growing up in poverty and temporary housing. I’m far more concerned with the state of our education system and our NHS

predatory men will force themselves into our spaces, they don’t need to dress as women. Their strength allows them to do this.

Le Monde?

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2024/03/25/in-spain-non-normative-trans-suspected-of-sabotaging-gender-transition-law_6650777_4.html

No simple answer, but they manage it for people who go through sex change operations so I would assume a similar aoet of process should be considered.

1. Who are "they"?

2. What do "they" manage, exactly?

3. How do the manage whatever it is?

We need to clear about this "process".

@qsforall "The issue with prisons is over around abuse of claiming trans, so men who are not taking hormones etc saying they are trans for the wrong reasons."

That's the TRAs fault. "Acceptance without exception, and "people are what they say they are". Deliberate miscommunication about the GRA and protected characteristics.

Whether somebody needs to have a GRC or not in order to be considered legally the opposite sex is of course a massive political issue.

To answer your questions
What do you call vulnerable?
I would say people who consider themselves vulnerable

Where you say Mixed sex spaces are consistently shown to have a higher rate of assaults can you post your sources for that?

The mixed changing room space in the swimming pool near me which has worked for years and there have been no reported assaults has a system where men and women enter lockable units which lock both sides and so you go in, change and then once in your costume go to a shared space where there are lockers. Both sexes then go to the swimming pool where you have men and women in swimming suits swimming next to each other and walking near each other and children too. The toilets are either just normal toilets with lockable cubicles, or individual units. Are you saying all of this is unnacceptable?

If you are saying that a percentage of women cannot cope with the above, I would support discussing the possibility of special places for vulnerable people, women or whoever else considers themselves vulnerable, with alarms etc - but you need to bear in mind what is feasible from a cost point of view and that any public space is open to abuses - which is not feasible - then there may be abuses - you can't design a special system which gets rid of all risk unless you can afford special places just for you which have security guards and you have several body guards.

Tackling violent crime against women and other vulnerable groups and violence in society as a whole as separate issues - causes, what can be done about it, thinking about schools' roles to tackle mindsets in teenagers - is also really important

predatory men will force themselves into our spaces, they don’t need to dress as women. Their strength allows them to do this.

A predatory man who has forced his way into women's spaces can be challenged, held accountable and if necessary prosecuted for a crime.

A predatory man who claims to self-ID into women's spaces has the freedom to be there without challenge. In fact, he can accuse women who object to his presence to be guilty of a hate crime.

No person in the world is 'born into' a body that is not their body. No one.

It is misogynist to define a female person, either a girl or a woman, using a male experience. The only thing a male person who identifies as a 'woman' is identifying as is that male person's interpretation of a female person's life and lived experience. ie. They only can ever identify as how they imagine a female person lives and feels.

Often they do this by either feeling that they do not fit into how they personally describe male people, or by using sexist stereotypes to define the sex of all the human's on the planet. And I say this because if they define how they as a male are female because of certain stereotypes, then that is how they categorise all the people on the planet.

To do this also requires support from post modernist theory that someone is what they self describe as. It is a philosophical belief that is not based in scientific proven and established evidence.

If male people can say they are just the same as any other woman, then that is a misogynistic view. Because that is completely erasing the needs and realities of female people and centring that male person.

It is not complicated at all. It is all based on a philosophical belief. People should be free to believe what they want to believe. What they should not be allowed to do is to expect the rest of society to comply with that belief and expect laws to be changed to allow them to have priority in their belief in instances that conflict with others rights.

"but my point is everyone has the right to be who they truly are without judgement or prejudice...unless they are trans it seems."

The needs that are being discussed here are those needs based on sex. Not someone's gender identity. Male people are being legitimately discriminated against because they are male. Do you think that those male people have changed sex?

If you have a penis or ever had a penis you are a man, you can never become a woman as humans cannot change sex, it's as simple as that for me.

How ridiculous. I never said they didn't matter, I said they were irrelevant to the principle of the debate.

You said they were irrelevant to policy making.

If the argument you are making is ‘trans women/men ARE a danger to women in single sex spaces’ for example

(which I agree with btw, female spaces should be for biological women)-

then that argument is literally based on the personal experiences of women who have been harmed in that situation. If it hadn’t happened to individuals, or they hadn’t spoken out about those experiences- the argument would be ‘it COULD be dangerous for trans women/men to be in female spaces’. The individual experiences are your evidence.

So, in a reasonable world there also has to be recognition that other people have different experiences, and they are not less valid to the discussion than the experiences that you are using as evidence.

Where you say Mixed sex spaces are consistently shown to have a higher rate of assaults can you post your sources for that?

This is from the Independent.
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/women/sexual-assault-unisex-changing-rooms-sunday-times-women-risk-a8519086.html

This is just one example of a man targeting a teenage girl and filming her from an adjoining cubicle ad she got changed. You will find numerous other examples on local and regional news sites.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/metro.co.uk/2024/01/02/liam-warlow-changing-room-swansea-girl-film-camera-20053854/amp/

Your post reminded me of a very recent conversation with a fertility consultant - female, extremely bullyish... completely unprofessional - absolutely I complained. Had I had known how she conducted consultations, I would have requested a different consultant.

I can't speak to what tosh she might read, or her choice of t-shirts.

Gender aside, there's professional competency and standards - where these are unmet I challenge them. This extends to assault - (where I've been assaulted in the past, I can confidently say these people didn't read Andrew Tate, but they did read the FT....they also had a penis, but I'm pretty sure it was their narcistic behaviour that led to their criminal conviction, and not their penis...).

I don't agree with your views on womenhood as a shared experience that can establish a type of standard or order (thus to justify your use of the term 'disordered').

Gender socialisation is so uniquely individual, influenced by culture (because gender is culture) (for instance the many examples of 3rd, 4th, 5th gender across the world) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_gender#:~:text=In%20some%20indigenous%20communities%20in,groups%20of%20third%20gender%20people.

I'm personally open to celebrating trans interpretation of womanhood.

I'm equally invested in a world that works to eradicate the culture of male toxic violence.

https://fairplayforwomen.com/unisex-changing-rooms-put-women-in-danger/

What on earth is "trans interpretation of womanhood" @Humtum ?

sorry I posted that without reading through it, and forgot to edit, hope you got the gist.

The fact we have to explain this over and over again to defenders of cross dressing men reaffirms my opinion they want us to ignore the fact this is how a large amount of predators gain access to girls and women in intimate spaces

There's no 'T' in 'lesbian' though, is there?

Unfortunately, male people ARE a dangerous and risky group, many of whom ARE out to get you, or indeed any woman.

Trans impersonation of womanhood, more like.

Keir Starmer was unable to define a woman until Tony Blair gave him a biology lesson about five days ago!

I'm personally open to celebrating trans interpretation of womanhood.

So a male gaze "interpretation of womanhood"?

There have always been lesbian feminists of course, and some very active and effective ones, but nevertheless the lavender menace attitude was prevalent.

I'd be surprised if there wasn't clarity and stipulation around this to limit exploitation of the law - it's not really in the spirit of things like progress and equality. Obviously, there are always going to be chancers - the idea that someone would go down this route to 'increase the chances to custody of their children" says it all (probably in the long run wouldn't do them any favours when reviewing them as a responsible adult based on this conduct)

These examples are a distraction but I don't think are going to disrupt the implementation of more progressive policies nor do they invalidate them. Of course, they'll be amplified by those for political gain.

In Scotland the rules are:

"they have lived in their acquired gender for at least two years. to make a statutory declaration that they intend to live in their acquired gender for the rest of their life...."

The way in which a trans women lives.