Do women in the U.K. know or care about the threat to women’s and girls rights now they’ve voted labour?

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i know the tories record on public services are abysmal and bar some genuine believers like Kemi Badenoch the tories would likely go the trans route if they thought it would buy them votes. But, currently it’s the tories who offered to protect women and girls from the trans madness. My question is - which women voted in trans loving, women - hating Labour?

we can look forward to -

1. continued gender ideology being pumped out in schools
2. conversion ban - you better hope your child doesn’t start questioning their gender out loud because TRA ridden schools will be referring them to gender clinics and socially transitioning them now they have a mandate
3. same sex attracted lesbians (myself included) it’s completely game over. Keep your head down and your mouth shut. Trans identified males and their female allies have already closed down every women only night. Same sex attracted women are now labelled bigots. We are no longer welcome in London’s LGBT soup community
4. prisons - what happens to vulnerable women? They are already disbelieved and dismissed. Now they have to endure the staring and various forms of sexual harrassment that goes with being incarcerated with men

i can only hope our political landscape mirrors America and in the same way Trump will be voted back in this year, we will have The Tories being led by Kemi back in in 4 years time.

omg I can’t believe we have to kiss goodbye to women’s rights - for the next four years

back to my original question. Apart from TRA idealouges, why have women voted these clowns in? Is it that they prioritise the Tories terrible record on public services over this? Do some women not see it as a huge issue? would love to hear from some posters who voted Labour.

Thanks & stay safe out there, as women we have woken up to a a dark chapter in history today

You seem to be calling to allow a sub group of male people to have special treatment above all other male people and to be treated as if they are female people.

Can you tell us how many women and girls will you find acceptable before we restore all male people to be treated equally again? Including that sub group of male people having the right to safety and not to be experience discrimination based on their gender identity but not being prioritised above the needs of female people.

What nuance is there to allow even 1 to be harmed?

And for the record, there has already been more than 1. Many more harmed. Particularly when you consider those who now exclude themselves from services and public life because they do not have single sex spaces available to them.

So I will rephrase that: what is the nuanced conversation that will prevent 1 more female person of any age to be harmed in allowing gender identity to continue to be prioritised over sex?

Does anyone really STILL believe this?
After everything that's happened? After all the sunlight that has been poured on this issue?

Incredible!

Actually, no. I don't believe it. NO ONE is falling for this any more.
Anyone still spinning this line has an agenda - pure and simple

Transwomen are NOT a vulnerable, marginalised community. They are certainly not more vulnerable than the women who's spaces and sports they are invading and who's jobs they are threatening. They are men who are being pandered to in every possible way.

And this is well understood by now.

Anyone saying different at this point is a TRA. Including Sir Keir.

Whose opinion matters?

There's nothing more powerful in the world than the act of living safely, openly and authentically.

Safety should not be a privilege at the cost of another, nor should the way in which a person identifies.

I think the perceived threat is overblown. I am not at all worried.

yep.

All those using those comparators miss the point.

Male people who declare they are women are male. The only comparator that should be used is other male people.

How can one tell a 'genuine' transwomen from a male with nefarious intent? Does declaring yourself trans automatically make you at no risk of harm? No one can be this naive.

Being gay does not infringe on the rights of anyone else. Males being in women's spaces does.

I have experienced poor treatment from males which has affected how I live my life but it took a while for me to realise just how much I had been adjusting my behaviour around men. It was a wake up call to realise that women can self-oppress themselves which is what I had been doing in response to how I'd been treated. I then had another wake up call, when my autistic daughter told me that she would have considered gender ideology as a way to escape adolescence. I had no idea just how much gender ideology was spreading amongst young people. Fortunately, she has moved through this now and is happy and content with who she is but her experiences have highlighted to me the vulnerability of young people. These issues matter to me but so does education, health, policing etc etc - it is not either/or. Moving forward, I hope the Labour Party considers the voices of women because up to now it has felt we have been ignored and our worries dismissed.

Well, that's that then! It doesn't matter what the rest of us think! Shut ya all down because Spirit has spoken!

Define "genuine trans women".

How are they different from any other transwomen? What exactly makes them genuine?

And neither are genuine trans women.

How do you define a "genuine trans woman"? What is it about for you?

Totally agree with you, it healthcare should be a BASIC right.
But it's not.

It's a privilege - and increasingly on a sliding scale in the UK.

I think there are still folk that request different health care professionals for their own comfort / needs etc. My point is that male identified people work in these areas of health. Let's not invalidate them and their contribution too.

Tell that to the women who can't access certain spaces due to the presence of men. How do they live safely, openly and authentically?

I’m the 604th reply. It is my only reply. I am buried in the middle of the thread. OP asked if we were worried. I’m not.

Not to mention the fact that we DO talk about circumcision being barbaric, same with FGM, and there are threads and threads full of comments denouncing Israel's ongoing attacks on Palestinian children. We talk about radicalisation and PREVENT. We talk about Halal slaughter. We talk about the rise in far right groups, incels and so on.

Being able to talk about the impact of one group's actions on another's is a matter of human rights.

You may think it melodramatic to talk about male rapists being housed in female prison estates, of male bodied athletes taking winning positions in women's sports, and of experimental procedures being carried out on vulnerable and autistic children. That is your right. Many of us have an opinion that differs from yours and it is our right to voice and discuss our concerns.

And how do they make a request which accommodates their needs if we accept that a male health care provider can pretend to be female?

So paedophiles? Violent men? They should be able to live openly and authentically safe from any persecution for their actions?

Safety of women and girls is not something to be traded so men can feel authentic.

How are women who choose to see female health care professionals 'invalidating' male health care professionals?

They are not. Female people are choosing a health care professional that suits their personal needs. They should never be shamed or made to feel that they should not be making that choice because it 'invalidates' a male person.

Ah, thanks. I misunderstood.

It was reference to the 🤢 quote - bit unkind.

GC women have a narrow idea of femininity, really?
I actually do think that women can tell, if not by the looks alone then certainly by the voice.

Once again:

Safety should not be a privilege at the cost of another, nor should the way in which a person identifies.

How a health professional identifies or presents does not have a bearing on their ability to provide safe health care.

Would you be happy with a health care provider who presented with an Andrew Tate paperweight on his desk? Would you be happy with a healthcare provider who presented wearing a T shirt with a racist slogan?

Trans women have disordered ideas about women. It's axiomatic. It's impossible for a man to believe he is a woman because of how he thinks without his having very messed up ideas about women, how we live (clue: in all.sorts of different ways), how we think (clue: in all sorts of different ways) and how we differ from men (clue: in the body, not the mind, but also because of our experiences and challenges of having that type of body in this society).

So while I might be comfortable with a male healthcare professional who wears a dress and makeup but fully sees himself as a man, I'd not be comfortable with the same person in the same clothes if he believes he is a woman. Not because of how he sees himself, but because of how he sees women.

I’m really intrigued how you distinguish a genuine TW from one who isn’t genuine?

Do men not consume the food and non perishables from food banks?

Women know your womanly place as carers and you will get trickle down benefits - just don't ever challenge the patriarchal set up, just play the pick-me dance for second tier.

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