Do women in the U.K. know or care about the threat to women’s and girls rights now they’ve voted labour?

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i know the tories record on public services are abysmal and bar some genuine believers like Kemi Badenoch the tories would likely go the trans route if they thought it would buy them votes. But, currently it’s the tories who offered to protect women and girls from the trans madness. My question is - which women voted in trans loving, women - hating Labour?

we can look forward to -

1. continued gender ideology being pumped out in schools
2. conversion ban - you better hope your child doesn’t start questioning their gender out loud because TRA ridden schools will be referring them to gender clinics and socially transitioning them now they have a mandate
3. same sex attracted lesbians (myself included) it’s completely game over. Keep your head down and your mouth shut. Trans identified males and their female allies have already closed down every women only night. Same sex attracted women are now labelled bigots. We are no longer welcome in London’s LGBT soup community
4. prisons - what happens to vulnerable women? They are already disbelieved and dismissed. Now they have to endure the staring and various forms of sexual harrassment that goes with being incarcerated with men

i can only hope our political landscape mirrors America and in the same way Trump will be voted back in this year, we will have The Tories being led by Kemi back in in 4 years time.

omg I can’t believe we have to kiss goodbye to women’s rights - for the next four years

back to my original question. Apart from TRA idealouges, why have women voted these clowns in? Is it that they prioritise the Tories terrible record on public services over this? Do some women not see it as a huge issue? would love to hear from some posters who voted Labour.

Thanks & stay safe out there, as women we have woken up to a a dark chapter in history today

It was part of it for me.

It was mostly the financial corruption, the all consuming obsession with independence, the lack of public funding (see: corruption) immigration policy, the killing of all industry (not just oil and gas, which for good or bad, I’m not up for a debate) at present my family relies on for a living, the tax hikes, irresponsible house building with no accompanying infrastructure while simultaneously making sure towns and cities are unliveable, and the racist first minister.

I could go on, but I won’t. I don’t like any party - even the one I voted for, but the SNP got what they deserved.

This is where the lack of intersectional thinking comes in- you pick a ‘principal’ and disregard anyone else’s experience because it doesn’t fit that principle.

Women are more than just their sex- my identity as a severely disabled person for example is as integral to my life as the fact I’m a woman is- to write that off as ‘personal anecdote’ and irrelevant to policy making is reductionist (and divisive).

Just as it was for the feminist movement all those decades ago to try and keep lesbian voices out so that they could concentrate on their chosen principle.

There are also a good number of male midwives that live happy fulfilling lives who have chosen to contribute to society.

I've had male gynae's in the US and males both for mamogram in the UK and in Germany.

It's a non issue.

Health care is a privilege.

There are also a good number of male midwives that live happy fulfilling lives who have chosen to contribute to society.

I've had male gynae's in the US and males both for mamogram in the UK and in Germany.

It's a non issue.

Health care is a privilege.

I've never known an era in life more obsessed with sex education, toilets, gender, pronouns, what you can & can't say etc etc etc. Can we please just concentrate on very serious governmental issues while getting on together and fixing this country we live in.

Agree with all of this.

You do know that Labour agree with the Tory stance on PIP (and other disability benefits) right?

It was never an either/or on this issue.

It is no problem to you personally, you are very lucky that this is the case.

Are you really instructing women less privileged than you, that being intimately handled by a male is the cost of female health care?

It's somewhat reminiscent of the women who shipped other women's kids off to Canada and decided who got parish relief and who needed to try a bit harder. Dickens wrote characters like this 200 years ago. These days there's the tolerance and knowledge that different people have different needs and experiences and that the answer is to differentiate services to meet all needs. Equally. Valuing diversity.

That is unless your real focus is male supremacism and getting women to accept their secondary humans status in law.

The definition of a woman is fundamental to any kind of feminism.

My feminism is fully intersectional, thanks. It just doesn't include men.

There's no intersection between women and "transwomen" though. The latter are men.

I'm a woman who voted Labour.

Being able to get a doctor's appointment when I needed antibiotics and being able to register my child with an NHS dentist have been issues in my life recently. Trans people haven't really affected me at all.

By the way, do you think that De Sutter would have achieved all the things that De Sutter has achieved if De Sutter was female?

Why are we to consider De Sutter at all on a feminist board? By a person who seems to be more keen to somehow present feminists discussing the issues around prioritising gender above sex where sex matters as being somehow supporting 'those in power'. What the actual fuck?

"If your sole focus on the safety and or rights of women being diminished by trans women accessing the same spaces and positions in society, then those in power have done their jobs. Watch the birdy over here whilst we strip more agency and rights from you whilst you are a wide eyed distracted captive."

There is so much wrong with this statement above. By someone who implores us to consider a male political figure as being relevant to the discussion about supporting the prioritisation of sex over gender identity where sex matters!

How utterly dismissive of how other women feel.

Great! it is not an issue for you. It is for other women and girls though. Do you agree that they should have the choice of having the same sex health professional.

I view health care providers as professionals first and foremost.

How a health professional identifies or presents does not have a bearing on their ability to provide safe health care.

For cases where a professional takes advantage then that's a legal issue - LIKE in other professions - Police. Teaching etc...

Would you challenge a female health provider who was providing care to a male say linked to their reproductive organs etc.

No.

Trans women are just like and other group in society, some are dangerous but the majority are not.

If you wrote this stuff about thw Jewish community you would be sanctioned for antisemitism, if you wrote it about Asian people, black people, Irish people, you would be sanctioned for racism

Stop being so melodramatic.

What happened to live and let live?

But that isn't the same thing, is it?

It's simple, as Hellebore says above. Do you agree that there are women who do have needs regarding same sex health care in some situations, and whose needs should be met?

Being dismissive of or exclusionary of those women for their needs and diversity is not being done for any good or noble purpose, it's merely to enable male freedoms, choices and inner selves. Men's internal lives vs women's actual, physical undressed and handled bodies.

Missing the point that if you wanted a female health provider (reasons of trauma, past assault, religion etc). You should get one. And they should be an actual woman.

The fact that you're fine with it has no bearing on this issue at all.

If someone was arguing for Jewish, Asian, black or Irish men to be able to bypass the normal safeguarding rules that apply to everyone else, and for anyone disagreeing to be cast out of polite society as a hateful bigot, and major politicians were cheering this on, I'd think that was pretty bad too.

So you support the removal of single sex services and spaces?

It's a non-issue to you, and I think I would be happy to see a male professional for a mammogram and probably for childbirth too, but women who aren't comfortable with intimate care from the opposite sex should have the right to request a same sex provider.

As for health care is a privilege, I'm gobsmacked that you think that. It is a right. Or at least it should be. And healthcare, and women's rights, should not be a race to the bottom.

Christ.

Being male puts you statistically at more risk of causing harm to others than being female. Because of your sex.

Being Jewish, black, white, straight, gay, Irish does not. Unless in all of those they were male.

We have to work on the concept of third options for sensitive areas

You miss the point. Trans identified men don’t want access to female spaces to have spaces away from men, they want access to females.

Yes what did happen to it? Women ousted from their own teams? Own awards? Own spaces? Going to tribunals for holding reasonable opinions (and winning).

What did happen to live and let live @ThisBlueCrab?

And neither are genuine trans women.

Your argument is flawed!

How is it any different from the arguments of gay rights activists that being homeosexual is how they were born not a choice? Bevause your argument would render this as a falsehood surely?!