Do women in the U.K. know or care about the threat to women’s and girls rights now they’ve voted labour?

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i know the tories record on public services are abysmal and bar some genuine believers like Kemi Badenoch the tories would likely go the trans route if they thought it would buy them votes. But, currently it’s the tories who offered to protect women and girls from the trans madness. My question is - which women voted in trans loving, women - hating Labour?

we can look forward to -

1. continued gender ideology being pumped out in schools
2. conversion ban - you better hope your child doesn’t start questioning their gender out loud because TRA ridden schools will be referring them to gender clinics and socially transitioning them now they have a mandate
3. same sex attracted lesbians (myself included) it’s completely game over. Keep your head down and your mouth shut. Trans identified males and their female allies have already closed down every women only night. Same sex attracted women are now labelled bigots. We are no longer welcome in London’s LGBT soup community
4. prisons - what happens to vulnerable women? They are already disbelieved and dismissed. Now they have to endure the staring and various forms of sexual harrassment that goes with being incarcerated with men

i can only hope our political landscape mirrors America and in the same way Trump will be voted back in this year, we will have The Tories being led by Kemi back in in 4 years time.

omg I can’t believe we have to kiss goodbye to women’s rights - for the next four years

back to my original question. Apart from TRA idealouges, why have women voted these clowns in? Is it that they prioritise the Tories terrible record on public services over this? Do some women not see it as a huge issue? would love to hear from some posters who voted Labour.

Thanks & stay safe out there, as women we have woken up to a a dark chapter in history today

@BeachParty what are your thoughts on Lia Thomas?
Do you agree that women should lose their jobs when stating that men can't become women?

I think the SNP have died on that hill. Labour would be stupid to follow. Some positive comments this week from KS for protecting spaces for biological women. Not saying I’m not worried though.

Labour are better than the Tories and SNP

You're mental if that is your biggest concern. How many trans people do you come across daily. The bigger risk to your daughters is the men who identify as men harassing them and assaulting them as they walk down the street. I appreciate gender critical views but it is all blown out of proportion.

I think Labour will just say the Scots no longer want independence and won't blame the GRR Act at all.

This. I’ve been a Tory all my life. I’m in Scotland, Despise the SNP, and I voted reform. I’m not going to explain further.

1. I don't have it to hand but it's been shared here thousands of times. It's based on MOJ prison data that shows there's an unusually high number of trans inmates with sex offence convictions. And even if that data weren't available, the question you should ask yourself is, HOW do you think a man who wants to present as a woman somehow acquires the lower offending risk of a woman?

2. You said * *"...may well like to be treated the same as the rest of us at that feminine end of the spectrum". So how should I treat people at the female end of the spectrum?

Yes, that ‘tiny percentage of the population’ argument is such an odd one.
What does it matter how tiny a group is if they obviously manage to push through changes that have a negative effect on large groups of people?

But again, a bit different from thinking a trans-woman is going to assault you in the toilets at M&S, or that our daughters are going to be scared by perverts in the Topshop changing rooms.

Do girls attacked by a trans identified man in Morrison’s toilets not count?

Or Primark changing rooms?

https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2022-09-26/primark-reviews-unisex-changing-rooms-as-men-walk-in-on-woman

I don't think it was the women's stuff that led to so much dissatisfaction with the snp

TheAlchemistElixa · Today 11:52
"That’s different altogether to the general working of the general populace. I would expect each sporting event and club to have sensible rules, just as they already do for so many other things, and to consider unfair advantages (just as they do with drugs) as part of their own selection and qualifying processses. I expect that would rule out a lot of trans-men from women’s sports, and I don’t think that’s necessarily a bad thing."

I was responding to this : I expect that would rule out a lot of trans-men from women’s sports, and I don’t think that’s necessarily a bad thing.

Maybe you could explain what you meant by this. If a trans-man (to use your terminology) is not taking testosterone, why would any sporting body or anyone expect to 'rule them out' of participating in women's sports. They are female people and should be competing with other female people if they are not using performance enhancing substances. 'Trans-men' are female.

Thank you for proving my point. Fuck real life women and their real life problems, they can wait until you're happy with laws around trans people.

No thanks, I'll continue to centre women, not the trans movement in my feminism.

I think a person born biologically male who chooses to live their full life as feminine, in a way which most closely aligns with how we understand and “accept” those at the feminine end of the spectrum, should feel comfortable in typically feminine spaces.

I don’t think men in drag with penises who don’t align in that way should expect to feel welcomed, and women made to feel unsafe by those people should have the freedom to complain and eject those people from their spaces.

Are you also angry at and afraid of people born intersex? That’s a whole other issue that never seems to come up.

Which bathroom should a person with Androgen Insensivity Syndrome piss in? Or someone born with a micro penis and internal testes, but who might more readily “pass” as female, even if they don’t identify as one?

The fraud committed by the Chair of the SNP, Nicolas husband.

Another one has shown up. Is this thread on Twitter??

should feel comfortable in typically feminine spaces.

What is a feminine space? A pink one?

What are "feminine spaces"? We're talking about female spaces.

Surely she was talking about the trans men who DO take testosterone?

Are you also angry at and afraid of people born intersex? That’s a whole other issue that never seems to come up.

People who have congenital reproductive disorders are either male or female. They are not some sort of inbetween or third sex.

https://x.com/genspect/status/1612382282743955458?lang=en

People don't agree with me, must have come from Twitter!
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Might be from this tweet: https://x.com/_wohyeahwohyeah/status/1809111462108885370

Safety of people is paramount.

Upholding the rights of trans people shouldn't be at the cost of another -self determination I think is key here. Gender inclusive. www.theparliamentmagazine.eu/news/article/heres-how-european-countries-contemplating-legal-gender-recognition-can-follow-spains-lead

I am personally more concerned about the culture of toxic violence by men toward women, particularly from known persons. Male gender violence and it's reach on other human rights (i.e. reproductive health choices, other laws impacting on women) www.ohchr.org/en/statements-and-speeches/2024/06/high-commissioner-economic-violence-against-women-gender-based

This is where attention I think needs to be.

If your sole focus on the safety and or rights of women being diminished by trans women accessing the same spaces and positions in society, then those in power have done their jobs. Watch the birdy over here whilst we strip more agency and rights from you whilst you are a wide eyed distracted captive.

I would encourage you to Google Petra De Sutter -

💡61 year old
💡Gynaecologist
💡Federal Deputy Prime Minister of Belgium
💡Head of the Department for Reproductive Medicine of Ghent University Hospital
💡 Member of the special Committee on Beating Cancer
💡 The first transgender deputy prime minister, and the most senior trans politician in Europe. She won't be the last.

Those that tell the story get to set the narrative - I'd take my sense making of trans people in society from trans people, just as I would define my understanding of a man and how I engage with them by the men in my life.

I have in my life encountered three trans people, two university pals and a senior professor who transitioned. They are brave people and do not deserve to have their identity and rights exploited for political gain.

It is like that, on here at least.

"Real life women and their real life problems" have ALREADY been affected by this nonsense.

Women, ordinary women, have been bullied and driven out of their jobs, for instance. You don't think women's human rights to work without being threatened are important? Some teenage girls in particular have been medicalised irreversibly for life because some adults really cannot cope with the idea that girls don't have to be "girly" and might be same-sex attracted and then gender nonconformity is perfectly natural and not a sign that you're living in the "wrong body". And that's before we get to the dismantling of single sex spaces of all kinds, without consultation, consent or discussion with those they were put in place for, and the "under the radar" lobbying of those who tried and almost succeeded in changing equality law on the ground without any parliamentary oversight whatsoever.

Wake up.