Do women in the U.K. know or care about the threat to women’s and girls rights now they’ve voted labour?

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i know the tories record on public services are abysmal and bar some genuine believers like Kemi Badenoch the tories would likely go the trans route if they thought it would buy them votes. But, currently it’s the tories who offered to protect women and girls from the trans madness. My question is - which women voted in trans loving, women - hating Labour?

we can look forward to -

1. continued gender ideology being pumped out in schools
2. conversion ban - you better hope your child doesn’t start questioning their gender out loud because TRA ridden schools will be referring them to gender clinics and socially transitioning them now they have a mandate
3. same sex attracted lesbians (myself included) it’s completely game over. Keep your head down and your mouth shut. Trans identified males and their female allies have already closed down every women only night. Same sex attracted women are now labelled bigots. We are no longer welcome in London’s LGBT soup community
4. prisons - what happens to vulnerable women? They are already disbelieved and dismissed. Now they have to endure the staring and various forms of sexual harrassment that goes with being incarcerated with men

i can only hope our political landscape mirrors America and in the same way Trump will be voted back in this year, we will have The Tories being led by Kemi back in in 4 years time.

omg I can’t believe we have to kiss goodbye to women’s rights - for the next four years

back to my original question. Apart from TRA idealouges, why have women voted these clowns in? Is it that they prioritise the Tories terrible record on public services over this? Do some women not see it as a huge issue? would love to hear from some posters who voted Labour.

Thanks & stay safe out there, as women we have woken up to a a dark chapter in history today

There have been trans people about for years.

So how are you going to sort the wheat from the chaff?

I also don’t like the thought of a man in women’s clothing, from which he gets a kick and a fetishistic thrill wearing, lurking about in women’s toilets or changing rooms to get a peek at something he wouldn’t ordinarily get a peek at. But that is an ENTIRLEY different scenario, and different person. That does not describe a trans person.

1. Anyone is trans who says they are, according to Stonewall.
2. Even if you believe a man in women’s clothing, from which he gets a kick and a fetishistic thrill, is a different person from a trans person, how exactly can you tell which is which?

I am trans rights but not eradication of my rights as a lesbian.

do you think it’s right lesbians are being pressurised at social and organisational level to not exclude these cross dressing men from their dating pool?

The election has shown you that this is not the enormous issue for most people you think it is. People are more worried about basic issues such as having enough money to pay the bills, and getting treatment on the NHS.

TBF I don’t think much will change with women’s rights and safety from any party. Parliament is mainly run by men, yes there are more women than there used to be but still it’s mainly male run.

I do agree with what people are saying……sexuality and gender are 2 different things so OP can of course be a lesbian and not support Trans rights, they are different things.

I too worry about women’s safety in women only spaces.

I didn’t vote labour. I am please we have a change in government but in an ideal world I would rather it wasn’t labour. Sadly we can’t have everything, there are always going to be down sides to any party being in charge? We just need to weigh up the bad and the good and hopefully labour will be slightly better than conservatives.

This is so true.

Looking to Europe, I think it's a safe bet that we will see a drive to the right (the actual right, not the current Tories) after Labour have decimated the economy (even further) over the next 4 years.

I dare say I don't agree with OP on trans issues. However, let's say I did.

1. There are many, many women's rights issues besides this.
2. Until quite recently the Tory party was absolutely on the side of trans rights. Theresa May brought in the self-ID bill. Their conversion feels rather like hopping on a bandwagon.

So, in order to vote Tory, I would have to discard all my other concerns, and also trust them on this one, and to be quite honest I trust them as far as I could throw a Boris bus.

So you think women should accept any male can be a woman?

Yeah and look at the absolute HAVOC they have wreaked. Children being taught they can change sex and taking irreversible hormones and having body parts removed, women being sexually assaulted in prisons.

where are the transsexuals of 30 years ago who kept their head down and genuinely wanted to pass ? You think they are the same as this circus that we have now?

Yes, and many of us are actively campaigning for male staff to be excluded as well.

However, describing women's concerns as a 'moral panic' is derisive and dismissive of what female prisoners experience and what they are reporting back to feminists who are campaigning. So you'd welcome male people into your toilets? Great. However, that doesn't give you the right to deride and dismiss other people's concerns the way you have.

Do you believe men can be women? Do you think the state should support that delusion and tell everyone who doesn't that they are 'bigots'?

@Missmarple87 do I believe that, biological men can become biological women (or vice versa)? No.
Do I believe that the state should support trans people: as much as they would any other people.
Do I believe anyone who challenges this "ideology" is a bigot: not necessarily, although I do believe that sometimes the reasons they state for being so vehemently against it are disingenuous - for example you claiming that you are concerned for vulnerable women and then voting in a way that indicates you are not really.

The men in women fetishised gear sneaking about in women’s toilets are pretty easy to spot. In fact, several of them have been arrested and punished pretty easily. It was ever thus.

You show me danger, I show you the law.

A trans woman having a piss in Marks and Spencers is doing none of those things. So should be allowed to go about her day the same as us.

OP l honestly share your concerns and I'm also very concerned about the ideologies that are being peddalled to our children. However I'll tell you what I'm more terrified of...

I'm terrified that the most downtrodden of our society are so disillusioned by politics and their prospects that they're resorting to superficial, hard right and very dangerous politics at an alarming rate. I don't need to have been alive during Nazi Germany to know how that might end...

We needed to send a clear message that we want change and that smug, disingenuous and self-serving politics will not be tolerated. Frankly I'm glad that more people did that by voting for Labour than voting for Reform

Finally no offence but I'm not dumb enough to believe that the Tories or Reform will be better for women's rights (or anyone's rights for that matter) than labour

It's really easy to become fixated on single (and in the grand scheme of it very trivial) issues when the 'bigger picture' is so horrifying but if we really want a better world for our children then we have to look at the bigger picture

This just isn’t the hill to die on when voting for the party that will determine
policy on every single issue.

Strange, I’ve had the exactly opposite impression.
It’s often the people berating those who are GC who claim to have several trans friends, who are of course all lovely and just want to live their lives in peace.
Regarding schools, I think it depends.
There was a period couple of years ago where whole friendship groups seemed to be identifying as trans/ non-binary. I know someone IRL who said it was definitely the case at their kids’ school. Maybe it’s calming down now.

@TheAlchemistElixa ‘her day’ - therein lies - the lie. Humans can’t change sex.

And yet, it was in Marks and Spencers that I had to have my pram jammed in front of me and I couldn't close the door to deal with my post pregnancy period flooding.

Should I have had the modicum of privacy away from male people's eyes in that situation?

Pissing in toilets is not all that female people use toilets for. If you want I can give you a list of other things that female people should have privacy in toilets away from all male people above the age of about 8 to be able to do.

We can't. Just as we can't tell whether the male taxi driver whose cab we get into is just an ordinary guy doing his job, like 99.99% of them, or another John Warboys (convicted of drugging and attacking 12 female passengers).

That doesn't mean taxis should be banned as unsafe, or that I'll never take a cab again.

Why can't he piss in the male toilets? He just needs to walk in and use a cubicle, same as any other male who wants to sit down and have some privacy.

This isn't a minor issue at all (ultimately impacts ALL the rights previously gained by women, in fact, lesbian rights especially the right to say no to men, not to mention the wider implications for democracy and what the power of unelected but extremely powerful and well-funded lobby groups and a good bit of propaganda can do to people's rights), but the fact is that most people don't see it that way or the implications, yet.

I don't think it's that women don't care about their own rights at all; it's that it's still falsely being cast as a "minor" issue or a "right wing culture war" (despite it not originating in the right at all), there's still a lack of awareness of the scale of what's being going on, and an idea that it's somehow separate from other womens' rights issues. It's not going to go away, I don't think. But there are far more pressing issues on people's minds at the moment, especially the cost of living, Tory corruption, state of the NHS etc etc.

OP l honestly share your concerns and I'm very concerned about the ideologies that are being peddalled to our children. However I'll tell you what I'm more terrified of...

Very much this. A whole generation of kids is being taught that you can be born in the wrong body and change sex. Thousands of gay and autistic kids are being told they are trans and put on a medical pathway, as the stats for the Tavistock clearly show. Yet it is completely clear this is a social contagion. When the gender tanker finally stops and turns, the damage done to lesbian and gay youth is going to be horrendous, and people who supported 'trans rights' without bothering to understand the ideology underpinning it will have to face the fact that they were happily complicit in the destruction of these kids' lives and fertility. Absolute shame on the lot of you.

The men in women fetishised gear sneaking about in women’s toilets are pretty easy to spot.

Please describe or illustrate to me "women fetishised gear" so that I can be certain I am challenging the right people and complaining about them to store / shopping centre / restaurant / pub staff without being called a bigot and possibly banned or reported to the police.

Everyone has the right to go about their daily life, but they do not have the right to infringe on others rights. Where is the transwoman in your scenario pissing? If it's in the ladies then he is making others uncomfortable and that is not ok.

It's a pretty gross representation to say I don't care about women and children. Why would I give a toss about this issue if I didn't. I spend a lot of my time campaigning on it (kept secret due to the threats you receive for stating biological reality, I might add).

I care about women and children being in poverty. I think laying that ALL at the Tory's door is incredibly naive. But I think the ability to define ourselves, keep ourselves safe, and able to safely participate in public life has to be a higher priority than most other things.