Do women in the U.K. know or care about the threat to women’s and girls rights now they’ve voted labour?

[Heylo]

i know the tories record on public services are abysmal and bar some genuine believers like Kemi Badenoch the tories would likely go the trans route if they thought it would buy them votes. But, currently it’s the tories who offered to protect women and girls from the trans madness. My question is - which women voted in trans loving, women - hating Labour?

we can look forward to -

1. continued gender ideology being pumped out in schools
2. conversion ban - you better hope your child doesn’t start questioning their gender out loud because TRA ridden schools will be referring them to gender clinics and socially transitioning them now they have a mandate
3. same sex attracted lesbians (myself included) it’s completely game over. Keep your head down and your mouth shut. Trans identified males and their female allies have already closed down every women only night. Same sex attracted women are now labelled bigots. We are no longer welcome in London’s LGBT soup community
4. prisons - what happens to vulnerable women? They are already disbelieved and dismissed. Now they have to endure the staring and various forms of sexual harrassment that goes with being incarcerated with men

i can only hope our political landscape mirrors America and in the same way Trump will be voted back in this year, we will have The Tories being led by Kemi back in in 4 years time.

omg I can’t believe we have to kiss goodbye to women’s rights - for the next four years

back to my original question. Apart from TRA idealouges, why have women voted these clowns in? Is it that they prioritise the Tories terrible record on public services over this? Do some women not see it as a huge issue? would love to hear from some posters who voted Labour.

Thanks & stay safe out there, as women we have woken up to a a dark chapter in history today

Jess Philips doesn't know what a woman is.

Let's try this another way.

Please quantify your thoughts here.

Will 1 more woman or girl being attacked, intimidated, being exposed to naked males, feeling traumatised, being abused or needing to exclude due to religious or past trauma mean you will finally consider those female people’s needs? 2? 5? 10? 100?

Do the women need to publicise their needs? Give traumatic accounts for you to consider their needs?

How do you measure the number of women and girls restricting their movements in public (including employment) because for religious reasons they cannot use the toilet or changing room? Do their needs even feature in your assessment when you prioritise male people’s demands?

Can you tell us Anna what is your number of women and children being harmed by male inclusion into female single sex spaces before you would support all single sex spaces excluding members of the opposite sex above the age of a child?

Mine is zero.

The Tories don't give a shit about women. Never have. I'm glad they're out.

Anyone who thinks they would be good for women must be on glue.

Labour is not your friend if you have any care of feminism, and think that this trans thing has just got out of control. But which party is your friend? none of them!!

In years to come this time, of the whole trans thing becoming a big issue in the last few years, will be looked back on with ..... a lack of understanding / puzzled as to what was going on!

As if the gender debate is not enough it's beyond my moral scruples to comprehend why the Labour party that commissioned a dodgy dossier to persuade parliament to embark an illegal war killing hundreds of thousands is even continuing as a party nowadays... and that people vote for it still. It's unbelievable the lack of morals evident today. 34% voted for this.

Op the points you made do concern me but not enough to over shadow all the other points in labour’s manifesto (or the ridiculous stuff in the Tory manifesto such as national service). Like everyone else, when it comes to politics there will never be a party where I agree with everything they stand for so I weighed it up against everything else. Politics isn’t just about one issue.

I am glad we have Labour. They are far more likely to support women than any other party. Just one example, Starmer has promised to change the current reality where rape is effectively decriminalised.
Women posting on this board are in a bubble. You are divorced from what most people think.

That’s right, you shouldn’t be. Because instances of any of those things happening are very rare. So be vigilant, sure, but don’t be “terrified”, and don’t try to spread your terror to others either.

Letter. On another thread. This sums up how I feel :

Dear [MP’s Name],

Congratulations on your recent election as our new Member of Parliament. As one of your constituents, I am writing to express my concerns and to urge you to take a stand on several important issues affecting our community.

Firstly, I am deeply concerned about the need to defend women’s rights. It is crucial that we maintain single-sex spaces and ensure fairness in women’s sports. These measures are essential to protect the rights and safety of women and girls.

Furthermore, I believe it is vital to support children who may be experiencing confusion about their gender identity. We must ensure that children who may think they are gay are not incorrectly guided towards believing they are transgender. It is imperative that we provide the right support and care for all children, based on sound evidence and careful consideration.

In this regard, I strongly support the findings of the CASS review and believe that we should follow the guidance provided to schools against teaching gender ideology. It is important that educational environments remain focused on providing balanced and factual information, safeguarding the well-being of all students.

I am very grateful that, as my new MP, you will take my wishes and those of other constituents into consideration. I trust that you will represent our community with dedication and integrity, and I look forward to seeing the positive impact of your efforts on these critical issues.

Thank you for your attention to these matters. I wish you all the best in your new role and hope to see positive changes under your leadership.

Yours sincerely,

It's not a straw man, it's a reasonable inference from what the poster wrote.

If that's not what they meant, perhaps they could clarify.

I don't understand why the poster chose to reference gender in a point about sexual violence and sex based rights, because it isn't relevant.

I repeat, women aren't raped by identities, they are raped by men. This is an inconvenient truth for those who assert that TWAW and that this somehow doesn't affect women's rights.

You may think language is an irrelevant straw man. I think it's vitally important in debate and law, as this example shows.

The introduction of gender identity into a discussion about policy relating to sex has led to confusion. As it does at a policy making level.

@Missmarple87 your critical thinking skills seem to extend to labour = flat earthers. I think we can agree to disagree.
That bit about tories being grounded in reality did give me a laugh though! Appreciate you lightening the mood of the thread!

No, you spectacularly missed MY point.

According to Labour, trans women ARE "REAL WOMEN".

That post you just wrote drawing a distrlinction between trans women and "real wonen" could already get you deleted or banned from many online sites and newspaper comments pages. It could see you facing disciplinary action at many employers. It could have the police at your door. All this is already happening. And I think under Labour it will become actual hate speech to say what you just said.

Of course we all.know who the "REAL WOMEN" are. But if that group has no political legitimacy, if we can't speak honestly and plainly about the challenges we face and why we face them, we are reduced to just benefitting from policies that are there for everyone not policies that target the inequalities we face as women.

Women’s prisons have never been female only spaces. Male prison guards make up around 40% of staff in women’s prisons (at national level - huge variance at local level), and hold a position of great power over some of the country’s most vulnerable women. That’s what you should be campaigning against, if you are genuinely concerned about women’s rights.

But you’re not. You’re caught up in a moral panic designed to make you put women’s rights into the hands of (invariably right wing) politicians.

https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/may/18/list-of-sexual-misconduct-allegations-made-against-mps I’d rather share a bathroom with a trans woman than a Conservative MP.

@TheAlchemistElixa why are you so keen to belittle and diminish?

Mine is nuanced. I don’t like the thought of hundreds of trans-women, who have fully and completely lived as trans women for decades, who have had full surgery, who are respected members of society and as deserving of respect as anyone else, having to use a male toilet because you fear them raping you.

I also don’t like the thought of a man in women’s clothing, from which he gets a kick and a fetishistic thrill wearing, lurking about in women’s toilets or changing rooms to get a peek at something he wouldn’t ordinarily get a peek at. But that is an ENTIRLEY different scenario, and different person. That does not describe a trans person.

Dont throw the baby out with the bath water.

How would anyone know the difference?

I think that people have certain valid grievances which clever politicians have associated with the wrong issue. This doesn't make those underlying grievances any less valid. Thats why I think the Brexit vote was hugely misunderstood - both naively and ignorantly as well as it being deliberately exploited by others with a different agenda.

Talking to many people about Brexit, if you put some of the cliche preconceptions aside and dig down into the grievances I do think there is a lot there to think about.

I personally still think Brexit itself was fundamentally the wrong solution to a bunch of unconnected problems and it was poorly implimented by a bunch of people who didn't understand the practical application and realities of leaving the EU. But I think the temptation to write it off as a racist vote is also fundamentally flawed and far too simplistic.

Sorry, I forgot to address your comprehension skills! You can try to twist what I said all you like but you haven't addressed the actual point. Is it too inconvenient for you?

Do you believe men can be women? Do you think the state should support that delusion and tell everyone who doesn't that they are 'bigots'?

What part of the analogy with flat-earthers is incorrect?

Women should be forced to share prisons with intact male prisoners who want to use them, and be raped etc, because male prison guards?

😂

Oh dear there are a lot of people around today who are a bit reality and information shy, but very keen on male supremacism. Morning Kier!

It’s similar in my experience. During my school years I knew a couple of kids who were more or less openly gay and a few girls who were gender non-conforming.
Within the last five years or so, a middle aged mum I know from my kids’ school started identifying as they/ them on social media and added the trans flag to her bio (despite never coming across as particularly gender non-conforming and actually living in a pretty traditional family setting).
There is also a non-binary teenage girl in my wider circle and another one who is transitioning.

I think @Heylo's OP belittles and diminishes women. Women did not vote Labour because they don't know or don't care about women's rights. That's ridiculous.🙄

They voted Labour and other parties because they hate what the Tories did to our country and our rights.

Wow Labour can't win, can they (figuratively speaking, haha).

I've seen trans activists laying into them for not being at all supportive of trans issues, and of course (on here especially) the exact opposite. They're damned either way on this issue.

I don't see this as the most pressing issue impacting women whatsoever.

All the lesbians I know are very pro trans rights.

This
This is why I voted Labour.
All of this is so much more important an issue to me than trans people going about their lives.

I totally agree. I voted Remain, but I thought the way Brexit voters were openly vilified by metropolitan Remainers was disgusting. If you think calling half the population stupid and racist isn't going to backfire on you one day, then you're the idiot. As the French metropolitan elites look likely to find out on Sunday.

Right now, I'm dealing with the reality I live. That women's lives are materially worse after 14 years of conservative government. I worry about the future. But righ tnow, I KNOW what has happened over the last 14 years and it was bad. It needed to change. And I don't believe that labour is going to usher in some kind of dystopian reality, much as I remain concerned about some of their policies.