Do women in the U.K. know or care about the threat to women’s and girls rights now they’ve voted labour?

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i know the tories record on public services are abysmal and bar some genuine believers like Kemi Badenoch the tories would likely go the trans route if they thought it would buy them votes. But, currently it’s the tories who offered to protect women and girls from the trans madness. My question is - which women voted in trans loving, women - hating Labour?

we can look forward to -

1. continued gender ideology being pumped out in schools
2. conversion ban - you better hope your child doesn’t start questioning their gender out loud because TRA ridden schools will be referring them to gender clinics and socially transitioning them now they have a mandate
3. same sex attracted lesbians (myself included) it’s completely game over. Keep your head down and your mouth shut. Trans identified males and their female allies have already closed down every women only night. Same sex attracted women are now labelled bigots. We are no longer welcome in London’s LGBT soup community
4. prisons - what happens to vulnerable women? They are already disbelieved and dismissed. Now they have to endure the staring and various forms of sexual harrassment that goes with being incarcerated with men

i can only hope our political landscape mirrors America and in the same way Trump will be voted back in this year, we will have The Tories being led by Kemi back in in 4 years time.

omg I can’t believe we have to kiss goodbye to women’s rights - for the next four years

back to my original question. Apart from TRA idealouges, why have women voted these clowns in? Is it that they prioritise the Tories terrible record on public services over this? Do some women not see it as a huge issue? would love to hear from some posters who voted Labour.

Thanks & stay safe out there, as women we have woken up to a a dark chapter in history today

Oh "they" are, are "they"?

Tories had no issues with trans women in women's spaces until they realised they could stir up culture wars to try and score votes. If you think that Tories care about women then you are extremely misguided.

Anyway Starmer has shown his arse this week about how he really feels about trans women in women's spaces, and sounds like he wants to reverse the 2010 equalities act- so everyone who thinks that trans people are a threat to women can rest easy, our new leader agrees with you.

It saddens me that women are widely ignoring the threat to their most basic rights. Scary times...why women are happy to allow self id and the erosion of safe spaces is beyond me.

The Conservatives have significantly altered the way we are allowed to protest in this country by redefining the terminology surrounding the right to protest…if you don’t know about this I suggest you educate yourself. It’s very worrying indeed. I have protested about all kinds of issues during my life so yes, If need be I will but I absolutely believe that the Tories were no better on Women’s rights, they just blurted out a lot of shit that they thought we wanted to hear.

Femininity? Feminity has nothing to do with this whatsoever. Glad to see the arguments have gone straight over your head.

Women need single sex spaces and sports. Women are not necessarily feminine. Men can be feminine. But men will never be women, however 'feminine' they are. Only the truly credulous actually believe that transwomen are women and that excluding men from women's spaces is a 'narrow interpretation of feminity' FFS.

Picking up on the 'Q' from your post above. It's that particular letter I have the very real problem with. The constant encroachment of fetishisation into the ever-expanding umbrella of identity politics is further ironised in that so many people co-opting the 'Q' are straight males who want their particular predilections made publicly acceptable, and in no small part to break down the safeguarding boundaries surrounding them. Drag, for example, is not for children.

I'm incensed that my DC's primary school are trotting out the LGBT with 'QI+' tacked onto the end. I've explained to him why the 'I' is a problem, that people with differences of sexual development are either male or female, and that this group of people have repeatedly asked not to have their medical issues politicised in this way.

As for 'queer', it's a slur. It's always been a slur, ever since it was first used to describe homosexual orientation in a US government pamphlet in 1926. I've suggested to DC that it's never a good idea to describe any LGB person as 'queer', and that many of us find this a direct insult.

I'm that invisible brand of 'B' who has now disappeared into a long term opposite sex relationship. It could just as easily have been a longterm homosexual one. However, I'm aware I don't experience the same kind of prejudice as homosexual couples still face, and in any case I've never felt the 'community' has ever spoken for me.

IMO, we desperately need to claw back the boundaries which have had a sledgehammer taken to them in recent years. Unlike the schools, I'm trying to teach my DC respect for others, and that starts with not co-opting insulting language (queer, 'cis' woman, cervix-haver etc) which has been foisted on people without their consent by other, more vocally powerful groups.

I will be writing to my new MP about this.

I believe the phrase is "you lost, get over it".

I'm well aware of the legislation, thanks. We still have the right to protest. See recent multitude of protests....doesn't look like the police have come down too hard on certain groups of protestors does it?

guess who bears the brunt of that too?

Cervix-havers? Womb-bearers?

I'll tell you who doesn't bear the brunt and that's "women", because "women" includes trans women and they sure as hell aren't picking up the shitty parts of womanhood when they cherry pick the bits of being a "woman" they want to appropriate. Yay to makeup and feeling "sexy", "uh, no, that's someone else's job" to caring and unpaid domestic support of the family.

So the issue isn't really about who gets to use which toilets, it's about having the language, concepts and political voice to draw a clear line between the sex of our bodies and the impact it has on our lives through both our physical capabilities and society's channelling us into sexist roles. It's about being able to say the obvious, that the rights women have today exist to mitigate the challenges of being female and since trans women are not female they have no claim on them.

For trans women, women's rights are no different to women's clothes, just one of the list of things you have to have to confirm your womanhood. They have no concept of what these rights mean to women or why they exist in the first place.

Except it does in the many many examples where women are challenged and accused of being trans and in everyone of those cases it's because they don't look feminine enough. We've seen it on here so many times. Clearly it went right over your head. Perhaps because a remarkably small number of you actually bother to apologise or admit you were wrong after you cyber bullying a random biological woman because you thought she was trans.

It's you that have pushed vulnerable women under the bus - women who need single-sex spaces to escape domestic violence and sexual assault. Women and girls whose religion dictates they need single sex spaces. Disabled women who want female carers for their own dignity. Think a bit harder.

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Under the tories homelessness has doubled and child poverty has tripled. People are being hospitalised with malnutrition and scurvy.
We have the highest energy bills in Europe, with nearly 7million people currently living in fuel poverty.
The tories have overseen record backlogs in the courts, meaning victims of rape have to wait years to go to trial, if they even get to trial. Prosecution rates are so low that rape is effectively decriminalised at this point. On the rare occasion that rapists are actually convicted, they are often let out of prison early because prisons are full.
We also have the lowest state pension in Europe.
On a personal note, my neighbour, a woman who is disabled, has seen cuts to her income. She can't afford to fix her leaking roof. She voted labour, presumably because she is choosing to prioritise (there's that word again!) having a government in power who actually care about vulnerable people like her, over a government who will say whatever they need to say to win votes (including on, for example, the issue of gender ideology).

It's so telling that the only vulnerable people you are interested in protecting are those who (you think) suit your agenda 🤔

you might find that a lot of women have cast a vote a certain way because they feel the exact opposite from you.

Do you feel the same way about trans men?

As in do you also feel they are being creepy and objectifying?

Women are individuals anyway. I am sure if you put us next to each other (you and I) we would have very little in common in terms of looks, body shape, style, interest, life etc…

I might not feel representated by how a certain transwoman choses to present herself but I also don’t feel they are trying to represent “women”, let alone me, and more themselves as an individual. Just like each of us when we chose to dress ourselves in a way that represent us and I definitely don’t feel represented by all nor most women. If a man, wants to dress in what they consider feminine and what they consider feminine is quite cliché, so what? Plenty of women dress fitting certain clichés or alter their bodies to fit them, and many women dress in ways that are considered masculine. Are they doing it to mock men? Or because that’s what they feel suit them? Back in the day, women wearing pants or a suit was seen as a mockery of men and their whole femininity and a threat to society, and men (and some other women) tried to prevent women from doing so, but was it really thought? Is a man wearing something feminine really always trying to make a mockery of women or trying to objectify them? Are people really only doing things for and to others rather than for and to themselves?

I don’t feel threatened by men who chose to be feminine (in whichever way they want) the same way I don’t feel threatened by women who chose to embrace their masculinity and dress or alter their body in a way that align with how they feel.

Does it mean nobody else should feel threatened or afraid? No. Everyone can feel whichever way about it. Personally I just think keeping people in boxes is the biggest source of a lot of the issues we have now and that maybe if men had been allowed to embrace their femininity and things that are considered “feminine” were just things anyone can enjoy irrelevant of sex (and vice versa), if everyone had been allowed to love who they want to love irrelevant of sex and genitalias, then maybe being trans wouldn’t even be an option for a lot of folks maybe they would have embraced the way they were born in and their natural inclinations and maybe it wouldn’t have been a big deal and so transitioning wouldn’t have felt like an option/lifeline. Maybe we wouldn’t have a lot of the issues we have now (not just with trans folks but in general as a society).

So personally I prefer to aim for a world where we encourage people to find themselves and in which they feel supported where they don’t feel like they need to look like a woman to date men (and vice versa) without being discriminated against (it’s not why a lot of trans women transition but historically many gay men transitioned as it was safer to be perceived by the wider society as women than be an openly gay man) and where surgery becomes a last resort for them to feel comfortable in their own skin and not a first or second option.

This is my view too.

And now Labour have a significant majority they should easily be able to undo all these curbs on our democratic rights to protest.

But don’t hold you breath because Labour will never reverse this legislation. They will just take it further and introduce authoritarian hate speech laws which prevent speech as well as protest.

This.

I am GC, I agree that women's rights are being eroded as a result of the 'inclusion' of males into facilities, services, initiatives, data etc that was and should remain Female only.

But, there are other issues, all of the above happened under a conservative govt so we could obviously not put any faith in them to fix it. We have increased food bank usage, increased number of children in food, fuel and bed poverty, a massive shortage of social housing, an NHS in collapse.......

So yes I am unhappy with Labours stance on women's rights and will fight to make them see sense, but they were also the only choice available to address the many other issues.

You are spectacularly missing my point. WOMEN. REAL women, Not TWAW are the ones who pick up the slack, whether or not you call us women or cervix havers. And under the last 14 years of govenment, those women (ie actual women) have suffered.

So yes, I will worry about the trans issue, and I totally do, but right now I'm on my knees and I need better support for myself and my children in the form of access to childcare and medical services and social care. And while I don't know yet how successful labour will be at delivering this, I am 100% clear, from 14 years of experience, that the Conservatives can't.

No such thing as a trans woman. There are women and then there are men pretending to be women.

Trans women are men.

Two things can be true, you know? Let me know where I said positive things about the Tory track record? I didn't. The thread is about what will happen to women's rights under Labour. If we can't define ourselves, we can't defend ourselves - it's fundamental. It's also concerning to me that the people now running the country are in thrall to a ridiculous cult ideology - says a lot about them.

Forgive me if I find it difficult to believe that there is a magic money tree which will magically resolve the issues you have just listed. I'd love to be proven wrong.

1000 times this

Exactly right I 100 % agree with you. I didn't vote Labour for those exact reasons.

On a far more positive note, Liz Truss and Penny Mordaunt are gone.

As for Rees-Mogg, I think I might even perform my nice little happy dance at some point during the course of today. Arrivederci, you obnoxious fucker!

T because they inserted themselves. Which sexuality or trans exactly?

The threat to women is much greater under a Tory government. I may not agree with Labour on anything to do with males in females spaces, and it is an issue, but it is not the only issue the U.K. is facing.