Do women in the U.K. know or care about the threat to women’s and girls rights now they’ve voted labour?

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i know the tories record on public services are abysmal and bar some genuine believers like Kemi Badenoch the tories would likely go the trans route if they thought it would buy them votes. But, currently it’s the tories who offered to protect women and girls from the trans madness. My question is - which women voted in trans loving, women - hating Labour?

we can look forward to -

1. continued gender ideology being pumped out in schools
2. conversion ban - you better hope your child doesn’t start questioning their gender out loud because TRA ridden schools will be referring them to gender clinics and socially transitioning them now they have a mandate
3. same sex attracted lesbians (myself included) it’s completely game over. Keep your head down and your mouth shut. Trans identified males and their female allies have already closed down every women only night. Same sex attracted women are now labelled bigots. We are no longer welcome in London’s LGBT soup community
4. prisons - what happens to vulnerable women? They are already disbelieved and dismissed. Now they have to endure the staring and various forms of sexual harrassment that goes with being incarcerated with men

i can only hope our political landscape mirrors America and in the same way Trump will be voted back in this year, we will have The Tories being led by Kemi back in in 4 years time.

omg I can’t believe we have to kiss goodbye to women’s rights - for the next four years

back to my original question. Apart from TRA idealouges, why have women voted these clowns in? Is it that they prioritise the Tories terrible record on public services over this? Do some women not see it as a huge issue? would love to hear from some posters who voted Labour.

Thanks & stay safe out there, as women we have woken up to a a dark chapter in history today

It's a non issue. Tories are the threat to women. Refuges shut down, surestarts closed down, benefit cuts etc. These are the real issues that matter thanks 😊

This is a misunderstanding many straight people have. Those letters put together in a group don't mean anything in particular. It's not some science based acronym.

When I hit the gay scene in the late 80's is was called the gay scene, the club in uni was called gaysoc and so on. There were no letters. Then the L got added so it was L&G. Then the B got added. This was probably some consensus between the gay media at the time, Stonewall and other charities and whoever else I don't know. It wasn't a government mandate.

Now we have a bunch of letters and symbols which have nothing to do with sexual orientation and we're all called queer, a word I object. Anyone can be queer, even straight people! I'm not queer, I'm a lesbian.

Trans rights and lesbian rights are have nothing to do with each other and in fact are in direct conflict. The more 'rights' trans people get the less rights women and lesbians have. It's that simple.

If you look at the percentage of votes rather than seats, it does look thst people lurching to reform lost conservative their seats rather than labour doing much better.

Agreed. It's often the case that parties lose elections, rather than the opposition actively winning. As with Scotland and 'not the SNP', I suspect that this landslide win was in no small part a 'not the Tories' vote. It's also interesting to note that without its support in Scotland, Labour would be stuffed.

None of this matters in the immediate context of a current resounding win for Labour.

It might well matter at the next general election.

Well yes.

'the best argument against democracy is a 5 minute conversation with the average voter'.

I'd expand that to the average MP, too.

same sex attracted lesbians (myself included) it’s completely game over. Keep your head down and your mouth shut.

This is absolute nonsense. Lesbians will continue to have the same rights to choose with whom they have a relationship as anyone else.

prisons - what happens to vulnerable women? They are already disbelieved and dismissed. Now they have to endure the staring and various forms of sexual harrassment that goes with being incarcerated with men

OP, how much do you actually know about prisons? What have you done to help vulnerable prisoners yourself? Yes, women in prison are at risk, but that comes much, much more from powerful violent women than the tiny number of transwomen currently incarcerated, and Starmer has made it clear that he doesn't intend to relax the rules on this.

So well put.

OP I hear you. I completely agree about the worrying situation for women going forward, for my daughter too.

What about violence , sexual assault and rape perpetrated by trans women? Why are these things only an issue for you when perpetrated by 'cis men'?

Bloody hell.

Surely you aren't saying you support trans women's rights to perpetrate sexual violence?

Or are you saying you don't believe trans women do these things just like men? Because that is evidentially not the case, and it's one of the reasons women need male free spaces - all men, however they identify.

Women are raped by penises not identities.

No they are not.

And will you be out there protesting against the erosion of women's rights, which you have already told me is a luxury belief?

This is absolute nonsense. Lesbians will continue to have the same rights to choose with whom they have a relationship as anyone else.

Unless, of course, they have the temerity to hold a publicly visible dating event for females only.

This after all is what a lesbian is.

Or are lesbians only okay if they're forced back into the closet as per circa 1988?

I suppose it depends who women voted for. Labour had a reduced/stagnated vote share on a reduced turnout, therefore fewer people actually voted for them, despite the majority.

I am really very concerned labours non-sensical views on women’s rights. However - saying the conservatives are abysmal on public services does rather let them off lightly. 10 day waits in A&E, people with cancer being left undiagnosed or untreated, schools without teachers and children completely abandoned with an increase in mental health issues is what we have right now (I believe) due to conservatives. People are dying, and I don’t expect labour will be able to fix it overnight (or in 4 years really) but if they can stem the bleeding - that would help.
There was no other party which could do this. Glad Labours numbers haven’t gone up but that they have enough seats to make changes.

The Tories don't care about women, they just say they know what a woman is because they see its a way to win some votes, but we can see from how they've acted over all these years that women are nowhere near important to them.
Labour has its issues but they are still a far better option than the Tories for many many reasons, and Britain is far ahead in recognising the issues with this gender nonsense so I have strong hope that things will improve.

Starmer has cautiously acknowledged that biological sex matters and grudgingly admitted that women need “safe” spaces (though he’s reluctant to say “single sex”). This has been enough for transactivists to think he’s intent on eliminating trans people.
Sex realist women just want assurances that male bodied people won’t intrude in their single sex spaces (note: trans men are OK as they are female bodied). However, as mentioned, Starmer is still fudging the “single sex” issue, which is why they don’t trust him. At present, it looks as though he thinks women include men with a GRC, which he plans to make easier to obtain, no hormones or surgery required, just a change if name and “live as a woman”, whatever that means (no one can say).

It’s not a culture war, it’s a genuine conflict of interests, and so far the people suffering abuse, threats of and actual violence and loss of livelihood are women.

have not RTFT.

I care about all their talk on GRCs. However women and children are disproportionately affected by poverty and cuts to spending, so i think it's probably a bit swings and roundabouts. I voted Labour despite my misgivings about GRCs because i believe they will be better on most other things that affect everyone's day-to-day lives.

There wasn’t any good choice but this is a really interesting, balanced article which articulates my thoughts well. https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/opinions/2024/6/20/no-party-deserves-the-feminist-vote-in-the-uk-election

Tories didn’t actually care, they just knew it was a vote winner. And very likely they would have gone back on their promises if it served them. The only thing now is to continue lobbying the Labour government on issues like this.

We're a long way from coming out the other side on the trans issue in sports especially at grassroots level. The club I'm associated with has held the line on admitting trans women but lots of others have crumbled.

We're facing a lot of pushback from all fronts particularly funders who think supporting transwomen allows them to tick their EDI box. This is all at the expense of women & children's right to safety & fairplay in sports, work & education etc. A lot of funding & corporate sponsorship is linked to the trans issue & quotas unfortunately.

I'm in Wales, I live in an very poor area, no transport, no jobs, no industry, it's dire here. My list of candidates was shit, I voted for the least shit one(which happened to be labour). Womens rights are extremely important to me and I am prepared to fight for those rights.

Has anyone here (a woman) been or felt threatened by a trans woman in a single sex space before? Like is this really a common occurrence?

Spot on.

I keep seeing this being said but in the last 4 years they’ve done quite a lot.

They’ve consulted the public and listened and u turned on both self ID and the conversion therapy ban for trans.

They’ve produced Schools Guidance that limits what children are being taught in schools

They commissioned the (now world renowned) Cass Review which has had a major influence in protecting children from being experimented on by quack doctors.

They’ve now put a 3 month emergency suspension on the use of puberty blockers to ensure that private clinics cannot ignore the recommendations in the Cass review.

They put in place the Section 35 order which blocked the Scottish Gender Reform Act and prevented self ID via scotland with no safeguards even for sex offenders.

They haven’t shrunk from discussing the issue despite being accused of being called transphobes or stoking culture wars. This has allowed for debate to take place (unlike in many western countries who had no opposition and no opportunity to debate before gender laws were enacted)

I think the Tories fully deserved to lose this election but on this single issue (in the end) they’ve done pretty well really.

Now let’s see how Labour do.

The first thing that will be a crucial indicator of where Labour genuinely stand on this will be if they extend the ban on PBs when it expires in a couple of months time or will they let it lapse and throw vulnerable children to the wolves (aka the private gender clinics).

I’m a GC dyke, and I do see your point of view, but I will always vote as socialist as the system practically allows.

I would have voted green but I live in a seat that is either Tory/labour and green had no chance.

I am also severely disabled- the disabled community have been treated like we are disposable, a burden, a drain on the state and morally lacking for the last 14 years. It wasn’t great before then- but it’s got worse year on year since 2010.

There is a massive lack of intersectionality in the feminist discourse at the moment- I’ve been told that my experience of the world as a disabled woman isn’t relevant- many women at the moment are making ‘feminism’ a difficult call to arms for disabled women.

To give some common mumsnet examples:

‘Women should be able to work’ say the feminists (but not if that means taking their wheelchair on the bus because that holds up the bus and makes normal women late for their jobs)

‘men should stay out of our changing rooms’ say the feminists (and use the disabled access one instead)

I’ve been told everything from;

I should stay at home and not visit the supermarket because I’m an inconvenience

I cant possibly be removing my pubic hair because of disability related intimate care reasons and AM doing it for the male gaze

I’m frightening to other women’s children (and I’m ‘lucky’ to look ‘normal’ and not have any visible signs of disability other than my chair)

and that there just aren’t lesbian wheelchair users with significant care needs- we simply don’t exist (and if we do our experience is niche and irrelevant anyway)

Obviously this mumsnet bollocks not real life- but it is borne out by my day to day experience of life as a gay, disabled woman.

Added to that is the enormous issue that my northern working class community has been absolutely decimated by austerity.

Not as common as paranoid GC women making biological women feel threatened and uncomfortable by challenging their right to be somewhere or take part in a sport because they don't confirm to their narrow idea of femininity. They can "always tell" apparently except all the times they can't.

And here we have two examples of the average level of critical thinking ability 👏 👏 👏

Lol you could have just said nothing if you wanted to make absolutely no point 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

’Most of the new builds where I live have unisex toilets and changing rooms, if done well it should not be an issue. If you think that some women are too vulnerable for this, then you could lobby for individual units to be supplied for vulnerable people’.

What do you call vulnerable?
Mixed sex spaces are consistently shown to have a higher rate of assaults. People don’t like being seen (even more) when they are in the same area as the opposite sex. Therefore everything within the cubicle becomes more private. I don’t know if your unisex spaces are fully enclosed, but they will be soon by government design. Think about the new designs: enclosed acoustically-sound private spaces within mixed sex areas. This is not good for anyone who feels ill and heads to a public toilet cubicle. If they collapse no one will know. That’s when anyone is most vulnerable. The safety measure, because they are enclosed spaces, is that the doors can be opened from the outside quickly. But if you can’t see or hear someone needs help that is redundant. It also means anyone can just let themselves in to your cubicle. And just for good measure, they are less easily cleaned and ventilated for disease control.

Hygiene goes down, safety goes down, illegal activities (assaults, rape, drugs etc) goes up when privacy goes up.

So in terms of vulnerability it affects: people who are more at risk of collapse such as people who are elderly and frail, those with diabetes, epilepsy, heart conditions, having strokes, pregnant women. It affects all women and girls more because they are more likely to be sexually assaulted and drinks spiked. It affects anyone who is trying to get away from someone by taking refuge in a toilet. It affects those vulnerable to addiction because the dealing/taking is done in these convenient private cubicles.

Health and safety should be paramount and mixed sex spaces, by their private design, don’t put health and safety first.