Do women in the U.K. know or care about the threat to women’s and girls rights now they’ve voted labour?

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i know the tories record on public services are abysmal and bar some genuine believers like Kemi Badenoch the tories would likely go the trans route if they thought it would buy them votes. But, currently it’s the tories who offered to protect women and girls from the trans madness. My question is - which women voted in trans loving, women - hating Labour?

we can look forward to -

1. continued gender ideology being pumped out in schools
2. conversion ban - you better hope your child doesn’t start questioning their gender out loud because TRA ridden schools will be referring them to gender clinics and socially transitioning them now they have a mandate
3. same sex attracted lesbians (myself included) it’s completely game over. Keep your head down and your mouth shut. Trans identified males and their female allies have already closed down every women only night. Same sex attracted women are now labelled bigots. We are no longer welcome in London’s LGBT soup community
4. prisons - what happens to vulnerable women? They are already disbelieved and dismissed. Now they have to endure the staring and various forms of sexual harrassment that goes with being incarcerated with men

i can only hope our political landscape mirrors America and in the same way Trump will be voted back in this year, we will have The Tories being led by Kemi back in in 4 years time.

omg I can’t believe we have to kiss goodbye to women’s rights - for the next four years

back to my original question. Apart from TRA idealouges, why have women voted these clowns in? Is it that they prioritise the Tories terrible record on public services over this? Do some women not see it as a huge issue? would love to hear from some posters who voted Labour.

Thanks & stay safe out there, as women we have woken up to a a dark chapter in history today

And the SNP 🎉

Let's see shall we.
Worth noting that the laws around protesting were Conservatives. I don't think Labour will bring in the sorts of laws you are talking about.

I'm looking forward to everything calming down as the scale of the Conservatives scaremongering on this becomes clear.

You talk about women rights but focus on trans - I don't really feel that's helpful - it's a distraction, unkind and inaccurate.

What specifically are the women's rights that are being challenged? Persistent unequal pay?

Meanwhile in Europe

https://www.ilga-europe.org/report/rainbow-europe-2023/

Ok,it’s a fair question but very aggressively stated

The way I have always had to vote is reflected by this statement I saw being bounced on social media

I have never aligned with Tory Politics- I lived through Margaret thatcher and saw the start of the shaping of the capitalism that has allowed a conservatism evolution form a centre right party to a party welcoming far right views, and delivering such inequality and selling it to the masses as a cost of living crisis. In my lifetime the poor have got poorer, and rich richer. And idiots like Mogg don’t have brains to even realise it is bloody hard to save money and accumulate wealth when you are poor, it is just plain stupidity if you can’t make a shed load of money when you’re already rich (even in a fecking bank while you’re sleeping) .

there are some things in greens I consider I align to- but way too many I don’t.

i have in past, years ago, voted Lib Dem, but clergy put pay to that- but I don’t disagree with their polciies except the even ,ore extreme version than labour on trans

so labour is now where I align best to get me to where I want. An nhs that functions, social housing, decreasing child poverty, decreasing VAWG - which could itself drive misogyny into a hate crime if we continue to apply pressure. And making gender pay gap something with teeth thst bite - my pay and now my pension were impacted by that. That “bus” gets me a long way to where I want. Wrt to GRC we then need to keep the noise on to ensure any changes to laws passing through hearings get women’s voices heard loud and clear. The battle still there to be fought , it ain’t over yet.

Yep it’s a shame, but in 45 years of voting I’ve never married a party. Always at best a good bus trip. Always had to continue to write letters to MPs or ministers or feedback on public consultations, or even a few marches (my bladder doesn’t hold out well for marches now🤷🏼‍♀️🤣). I am writing to companies and council at every bloody gender neutral toilet I encounter and will do so till I can no longer use a keyboard despite the crappy (ha) responses wafllng equality .

There is so much for women still needed beyond the trans issue and we do at least appear to have a bit of a chink of light in some of that…the caring women supporting conservative were responsible for court resource austerity which has allowed women who are raped to wait fo 5 years to get to court - frankly that comes first..get the bloody men charged for rape and convicted in serious numbers

yes it worries me ..but I ain’t getting on a Tory bus sending me to the rich get richer and poor poorer stop. Ever

@Missmarple87 so who should all of us lacking-in-critical-skills-and-throwing-vulnerable-women-under-the-bus labour voters have chosen then?
I wonder who you voted for?

Your comparison does not work. Men over 50 as a category exist, that is they are a) men, b) men over fifty. I could break this down further and say 'men over 50 who wear dresses' but that would not make men over 50 who do not wear dresses 'cis' men because 'cis' is not a category in the way 'over 50' is a category. Cis posits that there are two types of men: cis men and trans men, but trans men are women (a necessary criterion) not TiMs, so 'cis' men are just 'men'.
If you wish to categorize in this way you must say 'non-TiM', not 'cis men'. You have made a category error, since 'cis men' (as used in gender ideology) means 'being orientated towards having a male gender identity whilst having a male body' whilst 'trans men' means 'being orientated towards having a male gender identity whilst having a female body'. Your categories are: Non-TiMs and TiMs - since both these refer to a male-bodied person.
Sorry to be a nit-picker, but see my user name!

Yes and Labour could easily repeal those laws with their current majority.

They won’t though.

I understand.

However, again, I think you will find that under either a Labour or a Tory government we would have seen what happened happen. Because the departing Labour government had the Acts in place and the Tory government did not make any changes to what was in play at the time.

The significant point is that once feminists started to raise the alarm it took a long time for the population in general to catch up what was happening and join the push back. When you start to analyse it, saying 'it was x party's fault' lacks the accuracy that both parties were supportive of the changes and the general public were unaware of the ramifications of those changes in the 2000s.

This.
the Tory’s we’re just targeting what they thought were a bunch of middle class, middle age women voters.

a few might have agreed, but do you really, really ever think sunak, truss, or boris ever gave a flying fish about it as a matter that they’d invest time and resources in

it was a very useful policy to have. It meant they could make bold statements they could actually delivery, becuase…they didn’t need to actually change anything…just say no to changing, and make a lot of statements to effects of “stop it stonewall” “stop it schools”

brilliant tactic. A free policy they could implement thst took rewlly no work at all.

They is their pronoun, quite correctly.

Clearly it has gone over my head - please send the links.

Im not interested in accusing people of being trans. Not sure why THIS is what you chose to take from this whole debate? I'm interested in knowing that my daughter's and I can be confident of being in women only spaces/recieving care from women when we need it because everyone is aligned on what a woman is. It has absolutely nothing to do with femininity and it's absolutely ridiculous that it is even in question.

I have, yes.

Although they're not single-sex spaces when transwomen are there as this makes them mixed sex.

One of the other concerns I have around safety/comfort/hygiene is the prevalence of mixed sex bathrooms nowadays, which mean that it's not just even about transwomen any more but about women being forced to share bathroom spaces with men more generally, on the basis that gender identity ideologues have persuaded organisations that biological sex is an anachronistic distinction that has no relevance in the modern world.

Mixed sex spaces are different from female only spaces, but men wouldn't appreciate this as they themselves have obviously never been able to experience a female only space before a male enters.

You clearly haven’t read the news enough. The Kings Coronation was a prime example.

I worry that Starmer believes that trans people deserve more care than women deserve female only spaces.
But I really strongly object to the defining of political parties as either pro- or anti- trans. I'm GC but I'm not anti trans. One reason the TRA lobby has been so successful is because trans people have suffered from some genuinely awful treatment. Trans people deserve safe spaces too. Their own, not women's.
Meanwhile the steady loss of women's safe spaces took place under a Tory government.

That's a total misrepresentation. It's clear that the PP wasn't saying she only cares about violence perpetrated by men who identify as men. Or that TW don't commit these crimes. She's saying she also cares about the millions of women affected by VAWG perpetrated by men who identify as men, and that it doesn't make sense to her to vote for a party that fails on these issues just because they claim to understand what a woman is.

What's the point in even entering a discussion if it's only to throw up straw men? Why can't you debate the actual point being made?

Why not share your personal example of where you have felt or been threatened by a trans woman (or man dressed as a woman) in a single sex space? Please? 👏🏻 👏🏻 👏🏻

Do you truly believe all this? Because I highly doubt labour will follow through in entirety with this part of any pledge because of how unpopular it would be. It was just election nonsense! Time will tell if I'm right but I'm willing to bet 😂 I don't think he wants women marching on the streets due to having their rights taken away, it's not going to be a good start to his premiership. Pretty sure a happy and sensible medium can be found.

I am GC and voted Labour. I stand by my vote because this is one issue out of the many that affect women and girls in the UK - the conservative party have worked consistently to erode all our rights and standards of living and were well on their way to fucking everyone over even more. There would have been nothing left to fight for if they had been allowed to continue on their path! The tide is already turning on the TWAW brigade and we will continue to shine a light on TRAs and their ridiculous demands. We will continue to fight for the rights of women and girls to be safe. But as you said, if the Tories thought that changing their stance on trans rights would win them votes, they would switch their beliefs immediately - and then where would we all be?

There were no good choices. I am a swing voter normally. But I can't vote for someone who (and whose closest advisors) actually thinks men can be women. It's like voting for a flat earther.

I also think Labour's policies amount to 'we will review this immediately' but no action (because there is no money). FWIW.

What specifically are the women's rights that are being challenged?

The right to single sex spaces has been significantly challenged from prisons to female rape crisis groups and shelters , single sex wards to changing rooms and toilets.

The right to fair sport has been significantly challenged.

The right to define ourselves as a group under law has been challenged, in court even.

When you end up with boards that are supposedly balanced by sex being 75% male because 50% of those who are supposed to represent women are men, you also start to understand that female people's right to equal representation is also at stake.

Which group of people are the ones that are challenging the above?

Are you serious? I don't have any because ITS NOT THE POINT.

If you want, you can go and find lots of horror stories in the news.

genuine question, is it not easier to have a party in power whose views on women's rights match yours all bar one? Surely easier to enact the opposition and protest on the 1 view that doesn't than the other party which only matches yours on one regard and all others are directly in conflict with the very same people you are trying to protect?

Ah Okay. Chill out Marple 😅

I was only asking if women on here had any examples. As you know, I’d like to use my “lack of” critical thinking skills in order to see if this was a common occurrence like people are making it out to be.

What kind of research tells you that trans women are women?

It’s not currently high on my list of priorities compared to everything else. Dentistry, NHS, education, housing, cost of living- all those things are more of a concern to me and you never get everything.