Do women in the U.K. know or care about the threat to women’s and girls rights now they’ve voted labour?

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i know the tories record on public services are abysmal and bar some genuine believers like Kemi Badenoch the tories would likely go the trans route if they thought it would buy them votes. But, currently it’s the tories who offered to protect women and girls from the trans madness. My question is - which women voted in trans loving, women - hating Labour?

we can look forward to -

1. continued gender ideology being pumped out in schools
2. conversion ban - you better hope your child doesn’t start questioning their gender out loud because TRA ridden schools will be referring them to gender clinics and socially transitioning them now they have a mandate
3. same sex attracted lesbians (myself included) it’s completely game over. Keep your head down and your mouth shut. Trans identified males and their female allies have already closed down every women only night. Same sex attracted women are now labelled bigots. We are no longer welcome in London’s LGBT soup community
4. prisons - what happens to vulnerable women? They are already disbelieved and dismissed. Now they have to endure the staring and various forms of sexual harrassment that goes with being incarcerated with men

i can only hope our political landscape mirrors America and in the same way Trump will be voted back in this year, we will have The Tories being led by Kemi back in in 4 years time.

omg I can’t believe we have to kiss goodbye to women’s rights - for the next four years

back to my original question. Apart from TRA idealouges, why have women voted these clowns in? Is it that they prioritise the Tories terrible record on public services over this? Do some women not see it as a huge issue? would love to hear from some posters who voted Labour.

Thanks & stay safe out there, as women we have woken up to a a dark chapter in history today

Maybe that 's one of the reasons they're GC, because they've seen the effects of Gender Ideology and you're the lucky ones to be living still in blissful ignorance.

I was at a conference about LGBT a couple of weeks ago. I can't say too much as it's outing. But just know this: there many men strutting around in dresses thinking they're women talking loudly about what should happens in schools. There was a specific part of lectures devoted to the incoming labour government and how much more support and rights they're going to get accordingly.

I'm delighted the Tories are gone. I hope their trans shitshow goes with them.

Oh, I guess that's o.k then.

This is most of the reason why I too voted Labour, but am I not allowed to be worried about them destroying women's rights through the trans ideological route?

Really unbelievable to think that a bunch of Labour supporters (that just so happen to be women) are banned from having a stall at Labour conferences?! We haven't come very far from the turn of the 1900's have we really. That's incredibly depressing.

Have you asked your children if they have been taught/discussed gender at school. My DS19 is constantly correcting me regarding gender issues. I asked him why he was so knowledgeable and he told me that it was comprehensively covered at school. He has never volunteered this information.
I have spent most of his gap year carefully explaining why some of us “transphobes” are gender critical. And just for good measure how different women’s rights were when I was his age. The discrimination I faced and how I was treated as a novelty in my early career. He is a wonderful critical thinker and has not been brainwashed but I would not have known about the diversity and equality education he received at school.
They tell you very little, only yesterday I was giving him a lift, as we passed a primary school he commented that he’d done community service in the school for 6 weeks during sixth form.

I agree with this. For weeks now these same accusations have been levelled at women who have dared to say they would be voting Tory for the first time in their lives. I don’t know why people feel the need to call people stupid for voting differently to them. It really does nothing to convince anyone of anything. We all have different priorities and it’s clear that (almost) everyone on here does passionately care about women’s rights.

Furthermore my local Labour MP is a trans activist who has the Mermaids logo at the top of her twitter account. One of the new NHS gender clinics is to be set up at the local children's hospita -l to deal with the big demand from distressed young children and young people who have been swept up into the madness.

You can deny and dismiss all you like, it does not make any of this less the case.

And yet so many propose voting for parties that would do nothing else for those vulnerable people. As if we're supposed to believe middle class mumsnet TERFs actually give a crap about prisoners' rights when they can't use them as a political pawn. Just how so many were proposing voting Tory - the party that has patients sleeping on hospital floors- because they promised same sex wards 🙄

I'm far more concerned about the state of the NHS and the state of the maternity ward when I give birth this year. It was only going to get worse with Tories. And I want my child to be given education around sexuality, consent, sexual safety and gender identity.

This is broadly where I am on this topic and I cast my vote based on the "greater good".

However, it's naive to think this is a standalone issue and that is does not cut right across women's rights in all sorts of important areas - healthcare, social care, education etc...

For me the difficulty is what the political class seem to be willing to believe/espouse.

No-one is forcing you to date anyone. Choose whomever you like, as long as they feel the same way.

I was terrified before, too - homophobia has become not just socially acceptable but actively encouraged in recent years (especially towards lesbians) and it's been shit for ages.

Also, opposition voices are one thing, but I think the tone and narrative is likely to shift slightly in some quarters now that Labour is in power and isn't the opposition any more.

It's all very well for an opposition party to shout "that's not good enough", but now they're in power and have to navigate this stuff head on, I suspect Starmer's narrative will shift to emphasise what a complex issue this is, especially as the conversion therapy bill he's committed himself to will highlight all sorts of issues he hasn't had to actually address head-on before.

It's kind of like the doctors' strikes thing where Starmer said in one of the early debates that it wouldn't happen on his watch as he will just "sit down and talk to them" to stop the strikes. Everything changes now that Labour are the ones being scrutinised and Starmer has to actually come up with workable solutions.

I have a daughter and I'm very worried about the impact on her of sea levels rising, destructive flooding and storms, the jet stream and gulf stream changing course or stopping altogether (which would change the UK's climate drastically), air pollution, water pollution, microplastic pollution... all of these worry me more than the prospect of her having to be in close proximity to trans people

I am pregnant (not finding out) and I woke up this morning overjoyed that this child will be born into a Labour government.

It was a tough choice. I didn't vote Labour though, I voted for my local independent - I had a leaflet pushed through the door AFTER I'd voted from two candidates yesterday - the guy I voted for's top thing was protecting women's spaces. So that's nice.

It's only just beginning with your precious labour

I can't imagine any of that happening. Five year olds are not being taught about graphic sex, and children are not being encouraged to take testosterone.
You are talking about possibilities that are highly unlikely.

Of course I care about women's rights

The trans woman at work is less of a threat to me than some old lecherous male bosses / colleagues I have had in the past.

I didn't know that amongst the trans community there is such a high suicide / attempted suicide rate. I didn't know how much violence they experience.
These are people just trying to lead their lives.

My rights have never been impinged by the trans community as far as I know, however, I have been on the receiving end of sexism and unwanted advances.

I am not saying that the above doesn't matter and isn't worthy of discussion / debate but I am saying that the most dangerous group to women are cis men and that inequality, poverty, NHS, education, violence against women & girls usurp this issue.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-57853385

I disagree. They certainly could and should have done more but they stopped self ID, including in Scotland. The stopped the conversion therapy bill. They replaced a TRA at EHRC with someone who balanced the rights of all. They issued new schools guidance rolling back on ideology. They belatedly banned puberty blockers. They commissioned Cass. All against a relentless worldwide push and antagonistic civil service.

The comparison is not with what went before but what would have happened if, like Canada, we had had a left wing party in power at that time.

Oh stop with the hysterics, ffs.
It's getting boring 😴

This. 2 teen/tween Dds here who show no signs of being brainwashed by gender ideology.

I don't understand the 'priorities' argument. If you can't define yourself, everything else is pointless. It's fundamental - not a single, niche issue.

Seems that the critical thinking skills of the electorate are on par with those of the new cabinet. I.e. Stuck in the sixth form common room.