Do women in the U.K. know or care about the threat to women’s and girls rights now they’ve voted labour?

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i know the tories record on public services are abysmal and bar some genuine believers like Kemi Badenoch the tories would likely go the trans route if they thought it would buy them votes. But, currently it’s the tories who offered to protect women and girls from the trans madness. My question is - which women voted in trans loving, women - hating Labour?

we can look forward to -

1. continued gender ideology being pumped out in schools
2. conversion ban - you better hope your child doesn’t start questioning their gender out loud because TRA ridden schools will be referring them to gender clinics and socially transitioning them now they have a mandate
3. same sex attracted lesbians (myself included) it’s completely game over. Keep your head down and your mouth shut. Trans identified males and their female allies have already closed down every women only night. Same sex attracted women are now labelled bigots. We are no longer welcome in London’s LGBT soup community
4. prisons - what happens to vulnerable women? They are already disbelieved and dismissed. Now they have to endure the staring and various forms of sexual harrassment that goes with being incarcerated with men

i can only hope our political landscape mirrors America and in the same way Trump will be voted back in this year, we will have The Tories being led by Kemi back in in 4 years time.

omg I can’t believe we have to kiss goodbye to women’s rights - for the next four years

back to my original question. Apart from TRA idealouges, why have women voted these clowns in? Is it that they prioritise the Tories terrible record on public services over this? Do some women not see it as a huge issue? would love to hear from some posters who voted Labour.

Thanks & stay safe out there, as women we have woken up to a a dark chapter in history today

Yes but in that instance I was particularly was not trying to talk about ALL men but ONLY non trans identified men, hence why I wanted to refer to them as a subgroup of men.

An equivalence would be me saying "I think men over 50 also sexually harass women, it's not just young men" and you replying "Just say men! Men over 50 are still men!"

I was trying to make the point that a concern about violence perpetrated by trans identified men isn't MORE important than violence perpetrated by "ordinary men", which has flourished under the conservatives and Tory GC feminists don't seem to care about because they have become so singularly focused on one issue.

I love my country. I've seen it run in to the ground in the last few years. I've never witnessed such a devastating decline in so little time. Change is needed.
I'm sorry but for me and nearly every other woman I know, the trans thing just isn't a big deal compared to everything else.

Was his diversity training about males who claim to be women? Very self-serving if so.

All of this! I think the outcome was the best given the options we had.

Fair enough, although the issues you mention in this post, rather than your original post, are not (or at least are only very indirectly) feminist concerns.

I think that labour is a threat to our institutions and democracy (eg, amongst other things, they want to reduce the voting age 16 and get rid of old people from the house of lords, both being cynical attempts to cement their power and the first being very difficult to reverse). The Tories are also not great on this stuff (eg reducing the right to protest and destroying legal aid provision), but again much easier to reverse. With regard to net zero, labour will face the same problems that the Tories did in terms of time frame and balancing that with economic impacts and energy security. As for inequality, there is a fundamental difference in approach for labour and conservatives.

I truly hope you are right about labour changing direction and that the ultimate ease of reversing the mess we are already in. Thanks for engaging!

I am enjoying the sight of many of the same people who moaned and complained about being insulted and belittled for voting Leave now insulting and belittling women who voted for Labour.

Talk about not learning anything...

Trans women are no more of a threat to me than any other woman. Trans women are disproportionately vulnerable

All the evidence from the Ministry of Justice supports the conclusion that transwomen commit violent and sexual offences at the same rate as other men. 97%-99% of violent and sexual offences are committed by men. You are definitely more likely to be attacked or assaulted by a TW than a woman. It's fact, not ideology. I would also suggest that given all the TWs in jail for violent and sexual offences it is not reasonable to say the TWs are disproportionately vulnerable — unless you're talking about trans prostitutes in Brazil or Mexico, places where sexual violence in general is disproportionately high.

How about doing a little research before knocking out your inaccurate, misleading statements?

Oh my god, please not again.

women’s rights and protections were decimated under TORIES

A I said I'm an ex teacher and with a daughter currently teaching at secondary level. Maybe you don't live in a big city and are relatively shielded? But where I live there are many activist teachers and even teachers who are trans identified themselves. Trans ideology is in every secondary school in the city that I'm aware of, and even in my granddaughter's primary school there has been a pupil who came back after covid identifying as a boy. The school has had to get up to speed quickly.......and recently their PSHE materials have been released to year six parents...and gender ideology and gender identity is included.

Even catholic schools in the city are using outsourced materials from activist agencies. There are activist teachers in most secondary schools.

I do get your point, but the conservatives have been in power for the past 14 years, and have done very little to stop the rampant gender ideology being unleashed on children and young people. I am not a fan of either party, but the conservatives have not exactly been a voice of reason in this topic.

To everyone wildly celebrating a Labour win-enjoy it. But please think about what happens when they do something you don't like. Who will be there to dissent?

JKR and her SM following, the broadsheets and the tabloids (largely as a result of JKR's voice), Rosie Duffield, Kemi Badenoch, Dr Cass (in the HoL), Sex Matters, Jane from London, etc...

The same way plenty of people who assume are straight end up somehow realizing later down the line that they have fallen for someone of the same sex.

MOST lesbians have been closeted at some point and had sex with men, before they got out of the closet in an effort to either fit in or hope they were straight. (Me included).

If you have ever been through a coming out journey, then you would understand that the brain is a powerful thing and sexuality not linear.

I have never enjoyed sex with men, never wanted to date them and I have never missed it (nor them). So, the stakes are low. But I don’t consider Transwomen men. In that there is a massive difference between a man that identifies as a man and is a gym bro and a transwoman who has gone through multiple surgeries and might very well look more feminine than me.

I will never feel attracted to the gym bro but could at first sight be attracted (I assume) to the second one. Similarly I am not attracted to butch lesbians (masculine lesbians) nor would I be attracted to a trans man because they are too masculine for me (despite them being born with a female body). Would I be reluctant to have sex with someone with a penis? Absolutely.

BUT like I have said, I have gone through enough in my journey to know that I can’t exclude it fully from the realm of possibilities because I am also not dumb enough to deny myself the possibility of being happy IF my happiness was to be found with someone trans.

I find it a lot more odd to exclude anyone from the realm of possibilities. The same way I am a lot more into brunettes and like I have said feminine women but if tomorrow a blonde masculine woman steals my heart, what am I going to do?

So yes, I am a lesbian. But I am also human and open minded, and open to loving who I love. Currently I have never fallen for anyone who wasn’t female. Could it change? Who knows. I don’t know and it would be crazy to act like I know what my future would look like.

I am okay with the realm of possibilities that someday somehow I might end up loving someone who isn’t female, even though it naturally sound crazy to me right now, because it’s definitely not the worst thing that could happen to me and so I don’t see a need to frame my mindset 100% against it. I won’t go looking for it but I have spent too many years of my life fighting against what I naturally feel and like and my sexuality and being terrified to love someone I am “not supposed to” to want to try and do it again in the opposite way. Whatever happens will
happen and I will be fine, I am confident enough in my sexuality to not feel the need to fight against anything tbh.

We do care but we have to assess risk and prioritise our needs. Living in a multicultural area with a household income before the median, my focus is not having a transgender proofed public toilet, or ensure sports remain fair for women, my focus at this time is having enough money to put food on the table and a roof over our heads and ensuring this multicultural community I live in is not destroyed by the far right.

I will continue to campaign for women rights but can’t if the likes of Liz Truss and Boris Johnson continue wrecking the economy, because being able to pay my mortgage and continue to live in peace in a varied community is way above in my hierarchy of needs than ensuring a tiny minority of transgenders who commit crimes are stopped from causing more damage.

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How privileged not to know any women in prison, on a hospital ward, needing same sex intimate care, or in a rape/ domestic violence shelter. I can promise you this issue matters to them. The very most vulnerable in our society

Trans people are 1% or so of the population. In that 1% how many of them are proven rapists? What’s the ratio vs men who completely identify as men?

The census has shown that men who identify as women are approximately three times more likely to commit sexual offences than men who identify as men.

In terms of risk posed by transwomen to a woman you have fallen for a fallacy - that because the number of sexual assaults by transwomen is low the risk presented by a transwoman must be low. This ignores the low probability of women being in the same space as a transwoman. As soon as you look at the risk when a transwomen is present versus there being no men present, the risk shoots up above that of other men.

Furthermore my local Labour MP is a trans activist who has the Mermaids logo at the top of her twitter account. One of the new NHS gender clinics is to be set up at the local children's hospita -l to deal with the big demand from distressed young children and young people who have been swept up into the madness.

You can deny and dismiss all you like, it does not make any of this less the case.

It sickens you that people have differences of opinion, morals and societal requirements than you? Get over yourself lmao.

@Mrsdyna love your optimism! Who did you vote for?

‘I don’t consider transwomen men’. Someone really did a number on you.

A masterclass in what brainwashing can do to less strong-minded women. The ones more inclined to prioritise men’s wants.

It’s very grimly fascinating.

I think it was a case of Labour being the least unpalatable choice for many, definitely not the best choice. We'll soon see if the cracks between the factions in the Labour party were just papered over for the election and business as usual will restart when the cabinet is appointed and they start tearing themselves apart again. They might not last a full term.

You hope that a man who raped his ex wife will become president again because you think he seems better for women?

the tories care not for women - their approach to public services says that alone. There’s more to women than the trans issue - finances, childcare etc. women are multi faceted and they voted for more than any trans issue, as they should. Foolish to vote on a single issue anyway.

Agreed, I think polarisation works against our movement. They want us to be splintered.

Also agree that Keir and indeed no one over 30 actually believes people can change sex.

I also suspect that many men like having single sex spaces, so hopefully this free for all will end soon.

https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/ncvs-trans-press-release/

we can all cherrypick research to prove our point.