So how did the party of women do?

[Hugesunflower]

How many votes did they get in the areas they stood? BBC isn’t giving a breakdown of results.

How many voted do you have to get to reclaim your deposit?

1. It is blindingly obvious that she has become consumed by her ego. It’s not my fault if you are blind to this
2. She said she was running for elections AGES ago. She evidently made a mess of some of the paperwork and only got registered 4 months ago . She said she was doing this POW well over a year ago
3. Any attention she got was alongside Captain Beany, Count Binface and King Arthur, all joke candidates. Had she made a better fist of it ( for example she could have stood in a more suitable constituency) she would have done much better. But she didn’t (terrible tactics) The idea that she was going to somehow show up Carla Denyer and Thangam failed miserably ( more terrible tactics)
4. There are, thankfully, much better Gc women out there who are, thankfully, gaining much more ground. Maybe they didn’t run because they’re more tactical than her and knew it wouldn’t be a good idea? However once she said she was creating a political party no one else could take that space. It would be insane to try to collaborate with someone like kjk who lives off fighting (more terrible tactics) She needs to stop slagging other people off. This issue is too important for so much in fighting
5. If you’re going to do something, do it right. she didn’t

Badly. Any party standing on one issue will do badly.

Strong agree.

She needs to stop slagging other people off.

Ever thought about taking your own advice?

Still missing the point. They stood against candidates they wanted to debate with. It forced the conversation, in public, with the likes of Carla Denyer who wants to shove these issues under the carpet while treating women in her own party abominably allowing them to be blocked from normal democratic processes by abuse of the "no fault suspension" process. It wasn't an accident or a blunder that KJK took on Denyer. Or that she was previously going to take on Lloyd Russel Mole. Not constituencies she expected to take a lot of votes in, politicians she wanted to not be able to dodge a conversation.

But she didn't manage to highlight any of Carla Denyer's rubbish. If she had I wouldn't be so disappointed. The plan DIDN'T WORK

It is blindingly obvious that she has become consumed by her ego. It’s not my fault if you are blind to this

I'm not so arrogant that I think I can do armchair psychology and diagnose people I have never met. I'm not sure what 'consumed by her ego' even means. I've just watched one of her videos where she says she has a massive ego. Is that what you mean?

She said she was running for elections AGES ago. She evidently made a mess of some of the paperwork and only got registered 4 months ago . She said she was doing this POW well over a year ago

I think she announced the plan for a party in May last year, so a little over a year ago. I expect the paperwork is quite complex, and it seems she made some errors, which is probably not unusual for people starting their own small parties. Once she got it registered she was quite efficient at getting candidates, with some running for council elections in May and then 16 candidates in the GE. That's pretty good going. The WEP have only had a total of 14 candidates in 3 general elections and they were formed in 2015.

Any attention she got was alongside Captain Beany, Count Binface and King Arthur, all joke candidates.

Do you have any evidence for this? Links?

Had she made a better fist of it ( for example she could have stood in a more suitable constituency) she would have done much better. But she didn’t (terrible tactics) The idea that she was going to somehow show up Carla Denyer and Thangam failed miserably ( more terrible tactics)

If you remember, she was originally going to stand against Lloyd Russell-Moyle in Brighton. I'm sure you agree this was an excellent choice. Then just a few days later the Labour party suspended him which meant she needed to find a better constituency rather than just run against a random Labour candidate.

With only a few days left before the deadline for nominations, she would have had quite limited options when selecting another constituency, and also had to make a fairly quick choice. Having watched some of her videos, she did seem to relish the idea of being in the same room as Carla Denyer.

What would be a 'suitable constituency' in your opinion? Did any of the POW candidates stand in a 'suitable constituency'? I think they all stood in the constituencies they live in.

There are, thankfully, much better Gc women out there who are, thankfully, gaining much more ground.

Gaining much more ground how, exactly? Who? What are they doing? And 'much better'? Do you think it's a competition?

Maybe they didn’t run because they’re more tactical than her and knew it wouldn’t be a good idea? However once she said she was creating a political party no one else could take that space.

They could have done it first. But if they thought it wasn't a good idea (for them), why slag off someone who does want to do it? If they wanted to stand they could have joined her party. There's also nothing to stop them starting another party if they didn't want to join PoW.

It would be insane to try to collaborate with someone like kjk who lives off fighting (more terrible tactics) She needs to stop slagging other people off. This issue is too important for so much in fighting

The slagging off is coming from one side (and it's not KJK). It started when WPUK de-platformed her, while still letting males like self-confessed autogynephile Debbie Hayton speak at their meetings.

Then there was Jane Clare Jones and others slagging her off for doing her activism in a way that they don't like.
https://theradicalnotion.org/gender-critical-disputes/

I'm not sure if I've ever seen her retaliate (but I'm sure you'll provide some links if she has), but she's certainly taken a kicking from some other gender critical feminists.

But at least she tried. You?

If the PoW want to do better in future elections there are a few things I think they need to do:

1. Be better prepared - it feels like they were caught on the back foot this time round. It's a new party so teething issues are fair enough, but it might've been worth just sitting this one out rather than giving people the opportunity to point and laugh at their paltry vote share. That's left them with a credibility hole that they'll need to plug.
2. Have a less divisive leader. I don't mean someone who's universally popular - Farage has clearly done very well for Reform even though vast numbers of people loathe him. But someone who isn't widely disliked inside GC and feminist circles would be a start. If Kelly-Jay is serious about the party going anywhere, she'll show some humility and stand aside.
3. Stand on a positive platform. Go to the party's website and the central message is No woman has a penis. No man has a vagina. There's no such thing as "non binary". "Transitioning" children is abuse. No matter how much you might agree with those statements, you need to offer people something to vote for, not a bunch of negatives.
4. Stand on a broader platform. Single-issue parties are never going to do very well, as they're not taken seriously as a political movement by voters or the press. Lots of better-known parties had GC policies too, so what were PoW offering that was unique? A broader focus on the issues affecting women's day-to-day lives would also help counter the impression that PoW are little more than a thinly-veiled hate group.

That’s really good analysis @SuffragetteFromGladiators , thank you, it’s such a relief to see forward thinking practically helpful perspectives on here.
don’t worry @OldCrone i do plenty to help this cause. And you?

I am. I stood for Party of Women in Newcastle upon Tyne East & Wallsend.

The best way to make POW more effective is for more women to join POW and more women to stand for POW in elections. There should be plenty to have a shot at before the next General Election.

www.partyofwomen.org/

I have to laugh at the armchair politicians in this thread sniping at KJK's campaign strategy.

None of us standing expected to get over 5% of the votes cast, which we would need to do to get our £500 deposit returned.

Look what value for money we got though - this is strategy!

*Royal Mail Unaddressed Leaflets Delivery - Normal Cost"

https://www.royalmail.com/business/marketing/mail/door-to-door

"For as little as £500 you could reach up to 8,000 households

83% of door drop items are engaged with by customers*"

But Election Leaflets are delivered FOR FREE by the Royal Mail.

For my £500 deposit the Royal Mail delivered not to "up to 8,000" households but to 60,300 households!

For £500 POW leaflets were delivered in my Constituency to 76,245 voters.

In many households there would, obviously, be children under the age of 18. Too young to vote this time but, by the time they are old enough vote in a General Election, we want to them to become as familiar with a Party of Women candidate standing in a local election as a candidate for any other party. That should be their norm and expectation.

Every time a POW candidate stands for an election we can get the message across that it is perfectly OK to acknowledge the reality of sex, perfectly normal to challenge the elite orthodoxy of "gender affirmation" for children as abusive.

Every time there is a hustings or a chance to speak at a count, even if we don't win, we can get our message across. The videos of candidates speaking are scattered across different social media platforms - I have not yet got a list of links.

KJK spoke well at the Bristol Central hustings and never mind the man shouting "Rubbish!" after she spoke. She was quite poorly by that stage. She had not let up with her regular LWS activities and YouTube live-streams, was busy with her own campaign yet every night all the Candidates had an hour's Zoom with her.

That woman is a power house - and to suggest as PP have done that she lacks campaigning strategy or has "undermined the cause" is frankly ludicrous.

I have also seen some supposed feminists bemoaning the fact that the Women's Equality Party (WEP) was/is a "lost opportunity" . . . and how much better it would have been if WEP had done as well as POW . . . so at one and the same time POW made a pathetic showing - but isn't it a shame that WEP did not do as well as POW?

POW knocked the duplicitously named "Women's Equality Party" off the map. WEP has been going for 9 years, has "celebrity" founders, big donations from a Google employee (to make sure his "trans daughter" has a leg-up into UK politics) and what did they achieve?

WEP has funding from the Google Guy.

POW had some candidates who had never used a spreadsheet but we had support from seasoned candidates and election agents, former activists from the "big parties" who helped with tech support and gave advice about how to navigate the insane complexities of the electoral system, legal issues, etc.

WEP stood 4 candidates.

POW stood 16 candidates.

POW had zero funds, fielded 4 times as many candidates as WEP and has only been in existence since February.

Some WEP candidates also got fewer votes than some POW candidates.

If any party is an embarrassment to the women's rights movement it is WEP - not Party of Women. But that is too embarrassing to admit for the snobs who fawn over celebrities, refer to KJK as a "T-Shirt saleswoman" and roll their eyes and tut at the language of working class women who have not had their tongues tamed into submission by middle-class identity politics and are not hamstrung by purity spiral traps.

If they want to start their own party, let them have a go. If they think they can wrangle the Labour Party now that it is in Government, I sincerely hope that they can.

In the meantime, if anyone wants to help POW, please join us 💚🤍💜 xx

Kellie-Jay's closing statement from the Bristol 24/7 Bristol Central hustings #POW #PartyOfWomen

Fgs listen to yourselves. Let someone else start a party (either of you for starters) if that's how you think it should be done. KjK is doing just fine how she is. The election campaign went exactly how she wanted it to go. What do you want? For her to dissappear into the background?

I think that was a cross-post and not directed at me? 😘

Oops definitely not directed at you! My Congratulations to you all. I'm in awe of you all!! 🤩

"KjK is doing just fine how she is. The election campaign went exactly how she wanted it to go."

She wanted it to go dismally? Then congratulations to her.

That woman is a power house - and to suggest as PP have done that she lacks campaigning strategy or has "undermined the cause" is frankly ludicrous.

There have always been the people who have KJK derangement syndrome and come here where she has support just to slag her off. They have never agreed with her approach and they never will. I wouldn't pay them too much mind, we need a range of approaches. Let them write their papers and hold their "salons".

Be better prepared - it feels like they were caught on the back foot this time round. It's a new party so teething issues are fair enough, but it might've been worth just sitting this one out rather than giving people the opportunity to point and laugh at their paltry vote share. That's left them with a credibility hole that they'll need to plug.

Did you also point and laugh at the Women's Equality Party's paltry vote share? 9 years, loads of funding, loads of help from the media, and couldn't even do as well as a party with no money which has only existed for 4 months which the media did their best to ignore.

POW knocked the duplicitously named "Women's Equality Party" off the map. WEP has been going for 9 years, has "celebrity" founders, big donations from a Google employee (to make sure his "trans daughter" has a leg-up into UK politics) and what did they achieve?

I didn't know that about the donations. WEP would have done better to reject the donations and been a party for women. I think they lost a lot of support when they decided that men could be women.

The Big Lie - how the WEP was always about gender rather than sex www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4058470-the-big-lie-how-the-wep-was-always-about-gender-rather-than-sex

@OldCrone

Wow this is news. So the POW is a retaliation to WEP? Why hasn't this been said before? I saw it said again and again that the POW was to highlight the crazy of the Greens and Labour etc, I've never heard it was to go up against the WEP.
I think that's a great idea, actually.
So why didn't KJK stand in a constituency that had a WEP candidate? Were all 4 of those consituencies covered? Then, again, when she had to change (from the dubious decision in Brighton) why didn't she choose a WEP constituency?
Also what on earth does this have to do with working class/middle class?? I'm working class but I'm also strategic - it's not even a tiny bit connected. And lastly, I can't quite get over how idiotic it is for people to presume everyone who comments on here is sitting around doing nothing; there are clearly lots of well informed people here

I wouldn't bother to criticise the WEP @OldCrone , I think they're a lost cause. I had hopes for POW, despite the chaos

Why does everyone keep on going on about 4 months? It just makes you look unreliable and even maybe dishonest. This party was planned for well over a year, it was just officially 4 months

An insightful article by political journalist Tim Shipman in the Times about Sunak and the Tory party's chaotic election campaign - including several paragraphs pointing out that the party wasn't ready for an election called at such short notice:

"What has not previously emerged is that senior figures in Conservative Campaign Headquarters (CCHQ) agreed with Levido and told Sunak, in writing, that they were not ready to fight an election".

So the Tories weren't ready but a tiny party started a year ago are expected to be fully up and running ? As ever, women are judged to different standards. Sad to see it on a feminist board but logic and insight often seem to be sadly lacking on threads involving KJK.

https://www.thetimes.com/article/38650fc4-8311-4cc9-8a5d-894c48c7815b?shareToken=52117e08305ba4a505c5a77e9002f621

This is depressing. We now have a huge battle on our hands. JKJ did just fine and even if you think she didn't just let it go. This infighting will sink us. Eyes on the prize for heavens sake.

Not sure where I said I was pointing and laughing at their share of the vote @OldCrone . It's undeniable that other people have been. Why would anyone want to give their opponents that kind of ammunition?